I expected to at least read the turnout if not the results last night but curiously nothing till today at ..... 6pm. Media just say that the turnout was very low (common sense). Why does it take so long? Is it because turnout is so low that they are sort of .... embarrassed to release results?
Does anyone know more than I?
some news: one example, Centrum Warsaw: .... 8%. Well, in other parts of Poland, it is not going to be any brighter ;). 130 million ZL thrown away (....).
it looks like it's going to be this way: turnout 7,48% in first count ;);)
why did they decide to organize the stupid referendum? Poles don't even bother to vote (well, fewer than 50% do at major élections) so why would they have suddenly voted yesterday???? 130 million ZL thrown away....
Who is the "moron bul"? Anyone could have expected the ridiculous turnout. In a lot of countries, people would raise hell over the money thrown away.... They keep saying that Poland is ... poor and blablabal but throwing 130 million ZL away does not bother them. Shame on them!
PO has made a big mistake with the referendum. If I were PiS, I would take advantage of that ;)
You are PiS. You sound like PiS, you behave like PiS, you argue like PiS ...
Who is the "moron bul"? Anyone could have expected the ridiculous turnout.
He who has decided on this referendum is a "moron bull". Democracy has its cost. Democracy is not perfect. Yet democracy is better than any dictatorship. When it will cause additional costs, we never know in advance.
Under 8%... and may end up being single digit, TV reports said on Monday. The referendum was the doing of Preisdent Komorowski and the PO-dominated Senate. Fromt he word go it was striclty an electioneering move intended to show how repsonsive the Platfus camp are to the will of the people after dark horse Kukiz won 21% of the vote in the first round.
The bottom line: another failed PO ploy that is costing the Polish taxpayer 130 million złotys!
@Pol3: as you know, I am not with PiS (....) but since I am not with PO either, I do say that it was a stupid move from government and a waste of public money (my money too). The 130 million ZL could have been spent in better ways.
So the turnout was 8%, how many "tak", how many "nie"? We should know tonight at 6.
The only potive thing out of this joke is that Kukiz is most probably out of the political scene.
Either that or he will barely make it under the wire. He had the potential of becoming a force in Polish politics, but...... On the other hand, in love, war and politics most anything is possible. Things may take on such a twist that he'll become a sought-after coalition partner and by the least expected party.
Polonius, my observation now is that Kukiz has gone far, far too much to the right for PiS to consider. Maybe I misunderstood it, but it seems that Kukiz has two or three people at #1 from Ruch Narodowy for instance. Even Kaczyński quite clearly distanced PiS from RN a while ago - so if Kukiz has gone into bed with them, it's pretty much game over. PiS surely wouldn't make the same mistake as in 2007 - relying on a RN-supported Kukiz would cause such immense anger (again) among the centrists.
Anyway, results are showing a clear win for JOW, but on a pathetic turnout, there's no way that it will progress. I imagine PO will make reformation of the tax system to be a campaign pledge along with scrapping funding of political parties, but JOW is finished.
Bosak, a leading RN personality, has dropped out of the Kukiz camp. Dunno if the others have. Too bad Poland hasn't got a serious, civilised Endecja like that represented by Roman Dmowski. Some people erroneously equate him with nationalist thug squads like the ONR which smashed up shops and beat Jewish students. Regettably, Poland is now the kind of non-Jagiellonian compact, ethncially homogenous state Dmowski had called for. Since that is not likely to change (personally I'd prefer a Polish-led Jagiellonian commonwealth!), a genuine pro-state party in the dmowskian tradition could be a major step forward.
No he didn't. He was just the latest 5 minute protest candidate.
Agreed. He did not have the least potential to survive as a politician. And I say that as someone who voted for him in the first round for mere fun, but also to join those who were willing to tell PO: if you think you are the middle of the world, you are wrong (that's the power of your vote). Those who actually live in Poland (sorry, Pol3) just knew it perfectly well from the very beginning of his political "career" and there is nothing surprising in the fact that Kukiz is just sinking right now.
I think the problem with Kukiz was that he fell into the usual trap of these fringe candidates - he failed to attract any support from the established political order, so he lost his way and ended up lurching so far to the right that it's destroyed any hopes that he has. He actually had a chance of repeating what Ruch Palikota did in 2011, but his politics became so extreme and ridiculous (to the point where he made Duda's financial promises seem realistic!) that almost everyone abandoned him.
He did himself no favours by getting into internet wars with people like Pawłowicz as well.
It is true Kukiz is a political neophyte lacking in experience, but he also felt used. The Lower Silesia townhall circles (samorządowcy) that intially supported him turned out to be largely people associated with the copper conglomerate who wanted their lobbyists in the Sejm and regarded him as their ticket to parliament. When he realised what was happening he took them to task, they got miffed and withdrew their support.
He must have been rather naive not to realise that, to be honest. It's the problem of democracy that no-one is going anywhere without influential backers. In this sense, it's exactly the same as communism.
I think he was also heavily hurt by some naive things - he went on and on about Poles being robbed, but he had no plan to deal with the inevitable revelations that he also lived in a huge mansion.
So we know, turnout was .... 7,8%! No need to bother re % for "yes" and "no". 130 million ZL thrown away (there are a lot of comments on the net against that scandalous waste of money and so much the better that a lot of Poles react)! According to Polish media, one of the most expensive referenda ever held in Europe. You bet! ......
