Tusk cracks down on designer drugs ("dopalacze") in Poland

Well, unless you're in Poland on a daily basis you don't necessarily realize that ceconomic and social policies don't line up in Poland the way they do in the west.

very roughly:

PiS, economically liberal (socialist really) but socially very conservative

PO, economically more conserivative than PiS and socially a little more liberal

SLD, economically between PiS and PO socially much more liberal than either

PSL, no discernible principles whatsoever, ****** who'll get into bed with anyone offering them a bit of power

To be fair, it's nothing that you can't work out with a bit of reading - anyone who really does analyse things should be able to figure this one out. Heck, it's not as if PiS have tried to hide their socialist leanings!

The thing I can't understand is that many of them seem not to actually know that Solidarity is a trade union, nor do they seem to realise that part of his power base comes from them!

A much better comment would be to say that the American Polonia votes in accordance with their roots.

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EU to outlaw designer drugs?

EP Chairman Jerzy Buzek has said the EU will ban designer drugs, suggesting that Poland's move has provided the impetus. Will this be successful?

Not before extensive debate happens around the other EU countries. He should not abuse his position, Pol3. If he tries, he could find himself back in Zabrze gimnazjum school where my wife knows him from. He had better not get ideas above his station.

I think the mafia drug lords will be very pleased with this, they make their money from outlawed goods.
So instead of being regulated, taxed and not supporting gangsters, it will be pushed underground, where you are not being sold what you think you are, there are no regulations, no taxes and gangsters can buy more weapons. If I didn't know better, 'd think this is the gangster's lobbying for this.

Expect the Albanian mafia to move into this domain. The EU will likely want this as they made the brothel/druggie state known as Kosovo independent. The EU can get its hands dirty again and they will likely jump at the opportunity.

But it's high time Poland provided some positive input into the fat, old wh*ore of Brussels.
Poland was right not to rush into the euro zone because only it weathered the crisis. It was right in eschewing widespread flu shots to the dismay of the pharmceutical giants.

Now a blanket crackdown on this poison could set another good example.

You have changed in to quite a vulgar poster, why can't you say what you want without the name calling?


They have to, it's in the contract.


It was not a matter of right, Poland is a poor country and couldn't afford it, also you forget the staunch criticism about not having bought it.


Yes, the Mafia will be delighted.

Pol3, you need to understand that it was LK that was the stalwart against all that, not Tusk. Tusk will be complicit in the game. Poland has no right to unilaterally declare an EU position. Wait for the widespread debates in member states before taking a uniform stand.

LK was _not_ as far as I recall behind rejecting the useless flu shots, that was the health minister in one her (very few) moments of being right. LK was, as I recall, wanting the flu shots (or pretending to in order to appear in opposition to something that PO was doing).

"Banning" something is the surest way to make it go underground and get organized crime involved. P3 should remember his 'coś za coś' thread.

The short feel good of banning dopalacze will inevitably lead to a loooonnngg hangover of an illicit drug trade.

The overall benefits of freedom are that a minority will misue it and end up hurting themselves.

Then I suggest you recall again ;) Please have a look at the list of things he vetoed. The point here is that Buzek should quieten down and bide his time.

All this nonsense about mafias and drug dealers being delighted over the crackdown... It was innovative of Poland to ban shops selling psychoactive substances rather than on indivdual ingredients which can be quickly modified. Maybe the Swedish approach to prostitution might be implemented where the 'johns' not the prostitues are prosecuted. Detain the user of joints, coke, designer drugs, etc. and set him free only after he has divulged his source. Then detain the source and do likewise and that approach will eventually lead to the drug lords themselves.

Unless you are rooting for the already filthy rich drug providers!?

How is it nonsense, Pol3? It's directly relevant. So you are trying to encourage snitching/dobbing? What, like torture, you naively expect them to furnish you with the truth? I don't think you really grasp the correlation between governments and drugs at all.

Only gangsters regard snitches as the most horrible creatures to be destroyed. But if grass-roots potheads inform the authorities where they got the garbage, the mafia can't kill them all can they? Faced with the prospect of jail or reform school many teens will fess up. Not all grass users are slum slime. Some come from good famileis and will therefore be under even greater pressure to play ball. All available legal and psychological means should be used not to promote, glamoursie or justify evil (the way today's pop-media and many PF-ers are doing) but to curb and, if possible, elimiante it.

The garbage is found where you throw out trash, Pol3. What are you talking about? Pol3, why weren't The Beatles or The Rolling Stones arrested and put in jail for knowingly ingesting Class A drugs?

Here's a prediction, you're about to see a whole lot more meth in Poland.

Ive been watching Breaking Bad its all about Meth, it really does glorify the life style of dealers, its a actually a damn good series. So more meth all around once people learn how to cook. Ive never seen any meth or been offered it in the real world.

Breaking bad is great. What a f*cking ending last season.

But I do see it picking up here...there is afterall a nice gap in the market that recently emerged...

You really have no idea what is happening in the real world.

Head shops have been burned down by drug dealers in Ireland because they were losing money.


No, it wasn't Poland's innovation.


Do you know what would happen to you if you were detained and then set free? You'd be dead.


Yes and that is the reason why they would kill you, survival.

I think it would be far better to actually educate people on the substances in headshops. Then and only then can people make an informed decision.

As previously discussed, epic fail on the law.

Recent article from NPE:

Designer drug firms back in business

Cunning 'dopalacze' sellers have
found loopholes in the law which
will allow them to sell the so-called
'designer drugs' to customers.
Little over a month after the nationwide
government crackdown, traders
are simply moving their businesses
to different countries and sending
the goods to clients via the post,
according to Poland's legal paper,
Gazeta Prawna.

Why who could _ever_ have predicted that? (besides all of us who predicted it, that is)