Tusk cracks down on designer drugs ("dopalacze") in Poland

You bet your a*s, Zeti. These corporations can take out most if they wanted. Poland is a prime market given the tendency towards self pity and hypochondria amongst the population.

absolutely not!


So true, it is the tridimensional structure of the molecule that determines its effect - its affinity to certain receptors in the brain, think of it as a key that fits the lock. It doesn't matter they are amphetamine based, their effects differ (a lot!) as their 3D structure is different from one another.

I guess the biggest issue for me (and for any users) of all this stuff is the lack of regulation.

Regardless of the supposed potency (or lack of it) or any other undesired reactions, none of this stuff has been tested and it's not goverend by any legislation. Basically, you could be consuming/smoking ANYTHING.

At least with good old fashioned street drugs it was your call, your funeral - they were illegal anyway. But it makes no sense for something to be allowed to be sold but with complete lack of regulation.

I know they get around this sometimes by claiming that it's "not for human consumption" or whatever but it's still grossly irresponsible. It's a bit like the alcopops marketing mentality to me. "Not our fault kids like the taste"

All these products (smart drugs, designer drugs, memory enhancers, herbal whichmecallits, etc.) should be classified as illicit drugs, outlawed and be done with it. All this testing of ingredients which can be modified by one or two atoms overnigth is nonsense.

All potnetially harmful products are banned. Full stop!
As far as connvenional illegal drugs (grass, ampha, coke, extasy, etc.) are concerned, the onus should be on pub and club owners. If plainclothesmen find a single customer puffing a joint, the puffer is questioend until he freveals his source, and the owner gets a warning. The second time he loses his licence. It is up to him and his security gaurds, chuckers-out, etc. to not allow any harmful products onto the premises. Again a health regulation can be used: it is unlawful to store harmful substances in a public establishment. Properly publicised by the media, the publicans would be shaking in their boots and bending over backwards to keep their place drug-free.

Alcohol and tobacco bans? Caffeine bans? That's a bit insane.

It sounds like you are looking for a tyrannical state apparatus to control the personal lives and activities of free people. Government knows best after all...

what do you mean? that extasy users are the same people as those homeless meth users?

Not all meth users are homeless...it's not the drug, it's the person. That's why not every alcohol drinker is an alcoholic.

In Poland there is no meth so i don't know. What I know is that the meth users in USA are depicted as homeless with paranoia who can kill you without any reason and their teeth are horrible.


what about shoe glue?

I'm very surprised that you can be so sure about this ?!

So? Not to be crass but people die all the time without causing media uproars. And teenagers, being mostly incredibly stupid, do stupid things and sometimes die as a result. That's sad, but again, why the uproar just now?

And 'banning' something is usually wrongheaded an ineffectual. All a legal ban will do will be to drive the practice underground making it even more dangerous.


Alcohol? Tobacco? Cleaning fluid? Glue? What about the insidious threat of dihydrogen monoxide (if you get it in your lungs you die!)

Have you met meth in Poland?

No but it doesn't mean it's not there.

So i can tell you for sure that meth is something extremely rare.

nah I don't think so, last time I checked I still had an address.

Since when?I understand that coke (koka) is becoming more and more popular but lets be honest still not many can afford it and amphetamin (amfa,feta) is much cheaper.

I had to chuckle, considering you were talking about pubs.
Alcohol causes more deaths than all the other drugs combined.
It creates more additcs, causes more physical and mental diseases.
If you are really that commited to keeping the public safe from harmful substances, shouldn't you start there?
And if not, why?

metaamfetamina is not the same thing as amfetamina.

Well, the good ol' USA sells alcohol from age 21 and you must have proof -- usually a driving licence. (In decadent Germany 14-year-olds are served beer at McDonalds.) The are also various state restrictions in the USA such as legal closing times. In Michigan, no alcohol of any kind may be sold on Sudnay before 1 p.m. and only wine and beer are sold on over the rest of Sunday. Sunday is the Lord's day meant for worship and family togetherness, not pub-crawling. Does you heart really bleed for the souses and boozers who think otherwise?!

There are also 'dry' towns. If the local popualce vote in a referendum that they want no off-licence shops or pubs within their town's limits, then so be it. That is true democracy.

Democracy has never meant the tyranny of the majority.


Of course, just like many other Poles - they deny it, but they want Big Brother to tell them what to do. If it had been Warsaw, not Moscow ruling everyone - I doubt they would have complained!

Yea, you can order kegs through the drive through window.


And that's fair enough, it should be decided on a community level without infringing on the rights of an individual. People should be able to brew on their private property instead :)

On the other hand, if the neighboring locality sells alcohol, fair game. Laws restricting personal freedom are what should be avoided like the plague.

when I was looking to buy a house here in Poland, I viewed one very beautiful and very cheap house. I asked the owner/seller where was the nearest pub and he told me that there was none, as it had been closed down by the wives in the area.

Democracy shamrockracy a bit of dictatorship is fine, so long as I am the one dictating ;)

Unlike what you may think of me, it was not on those grounds that I didn't buy the house.

lol! You were not concerned one bit about the wives running the town??

Did it just get cold in here? Shivering like crazy for some reason.

I didn't say that :), I said it was not on those grounds that I didn't buy it ;)

How about cigarettes? Do we think those should be illegal?

Speaking as a chain smoker, they probably should be. Though not many governments are gouing to ban something that brings in huge tax revenues and cuts down on the need for elderly care :-(

my point exactly. If we're getting all self-righteous and want to commit to keeping harmful substances from our children, start with the big hitters. But we really do not want to give up our booze and cigarettes, do we? Tusk's crack down on designer drugs seems more like a political move, and will probably do more harm than good by bringing attention to the very existance of these things.

Yes, most of the young people who go to those dopalacze.pl shops probably heard about them through the TV coverage.

Yeah, EXACTLY. I remember when there was big fuss about first dopalacze shop in Poland (September of 2008). It was located in my hometown £ódź. Gazeta Wyborcza even gave the exact adres... ;)

Can't ban them, they will just go underground and that's much more harder to regulate.

I personally think all drugs should be legal. That way they can all be regulated and anyone stupid enough to experiment with them will pay the price. Plus it means that the crime aspect of drug-dealers ect will fade away.