Tusk cracks down on designer drugs ("dopalacze") in Poland

Well, a little serious then? I dunno much about it.

Banned in dozens of countries anyway so unless it's mass moral panic, I'm sure the stuff isn't exactly harmless.

Well, the justice department in the US says that it is 10 to 20 times less potent then amphetamine, which puts it a bit under dextroamphetamine as far as harmfulness, which is completely legal.

justice.gov/ndic/pubs11/11052/index.htm

So yea, more idiotic drug policy hysteria.

On what legal grounds were the Irish smart shops banned?

Well, its a only major distraction, cooked by the politicians !
I think its obvious eh?

I think you should search a little bit on this subject because most of those stuff is imported from the UK and the owner of the biggest chain shop Smartszop said he came up to this idea when was a bartender in the UK as those things were sold there for few years.

I also don't agree woth your latter argument as designer drugs are mostly substitudes of extasy or marihuana. Those drugs aren't so much crime related.

I have no particular opinion about designer drugs, but I know a hyped-up media-government distraction when it's hitting me over the head.

Why such a concentrated effort just at this time, what are we not supposed to be noticing elsewhere?

If they were selling things like that: Then yes we mean the same stuff.


People took 4 pills at once and they got speed...

Sorry, to be accurate it's not that the shops were banned but the substances in them

Here is the story anyway:

rte.ie/news/2010/0511/headshops.html

Just like in Poland. But they uses new subsatnces now. That's the trick.


I don't understand, so you would let your kids to use drugs?

As far as I remember this is what happened here too for a while but because shops kept getting raided, the shop owners just gave up in the end.

Let me try!
No, his kid would have enough information about pros and cons of the said drug, that peer preesure would be a much smaller factor in his decision making process.

I also had and look I used to think that there is much more pros than cons when I was a teenager. There is no such thing like peer presure! I never felt any peer presure.

Trust me here, BZP ≱ meth.


I'd inform them about the effects, and wouldn't demonize it. If I had a successful and happy kid (never gonna happen, don't exactly live a kid friendly life), and that kid happened to do coke or have a drink every once in a while, who am I to tell that kid what to do do?

If you saw more pros, than that is probably because you didn't get any useful information from your parents, all you've gathered was from your peers.

Example:Your buddy's telling you that he had a great time last night smoking a little weed and watching a funny movie. That is peer pressure already. Parents are supposed to complete the picture.. I don't know... memory loss, legal issues, reputation, weight gain, sports performance, whatever... educate them.

I got useful information from the antidrug workshops led in my school and from many sites of antidrug campaigns. It's really not about education.


extasy =/= meth
even amphetamine =/= meth.


a parent? ;D

Ok, i got the message ;)

Granted they are both amphetamine based CNS stimulants that release the same wonderful chemicals in the brain, they do so in a different manner. I wouldn't equate the two.


Same here, meth is a hell of a lot more potent as a recreational drug because the body absorbs more of it into the blood stream, and it sticks around for longer.

What is funny about stimulants is that they more or less just cause the release of the same chemicals that we'd otherwise get by holding the hand of a loved one, riding a roller coaster, eating your favorite food, hearing a funny joke... Ah, strange world we live in.

This symbol =/= means that something is NOT equal (it's crossed equality sign)


I know. You don't have to tell me that...

I was blabbering without reading...I really wanted to drive home a point to someone...anyone :(

that's great, but not enough. And I don't think they reallywork, because they do not present the whole picture. The will never say that the drugs feel good, and to gain kids trust, that is really where you have to start from.

As a parent, there are so many opportunities to plant the seeds from the early age, moments when you're talking about someone he admires, or someone embarrassing himself, somebody that does not seem to have any friends, sports achievements, moments watching TV... but you got to be quick on your feet and subtle, so the kid has no idea you're talking about drugs. My premise was always that immediate gratification is a weakness, only the weak think it's a goal. The price of immadiate gratification is always at the expense of your bigger goals. But, I told him when he was a little older, you will do whatever you want, so if you make a decision that whatever stupid thing you want to do will be worth it the risk, accept full responsibility. Don't whine later that you didn't know..

They should bring in a crackhead and an investment banker and point out the difference between how the two live and how they deal with drugs.

Tusk was getting concerned that there wouldn't be enough for him :) Changing tack on this issue is strange as the drugs themselves are the constants. The fact that a few people have experienced problems merits that they investigate it but not to jump to quick decisions against the drugs. It's a bit like harsh legislation against dogs that bite once and they get put down. The owners should be responsible, just like the drug companies that are aware of the side effects. They won't touch the drug companies but will take the soft option.

I wish it was that simple.
After all the talks of goals, and education, and sacrifices, my son said: I want to be a poor fisherman. I do not want my goal to involve sitting most my life in front of a computer, like you do, mommy..

are you sure that bankers don't use drugs?


drug companies are from: UK, Israel, China, New Zealand. It's beyond polish gov reach.

Need to further explain the implications of being a poor fisherman, and how he will be dependent on others in order to continue his lifestyle. Teach him about how the system works, and push him towards living independent of the system. Dunno, maybe I'm just insane, but hey, it works. Spending all day fishing is a great goal :)


That's my point :)

He resents the assumption that he has to buy into our system. He does not agree that "you have to join it to change it."

Given the crackhead vs banker choice, I'm sure he would pick crackhead just for the argumant's sake.
Actually, I can think of few reasons why crackhead is a better choice, myself.
;)

Even if they were within the reach of the Polish government, Zeti, they wouldn't touch them. Those big hitters could make life hell if they wanted to.

You don't have to buy into it in order to work within it to gain your "freedom". You do however have to understand how it works in order to even have a chance of getting out of it.

No kiddin, really?
;)

He says it's like crack. Once you take that first hit, it will always have great appeal.
lol
Actually, I know he's still searching how to do as little as possible, have a sweet life on the beach somewhere, be admired for it, and he thinks this goal is somehow new and unique. HAhaha!

Because somebody just died, and it made headlines.

dziennikzachodni.pl/fakty24/315442,dopalacze-ostatni-weekend-smierci,id,t.html