Poland's Truth Commission "IPN" to be de facto closed

And the ones who wished that there had been violence as that might have killed some of the enemies they fight against ('fight' in this case of course meaning 'whine about when not in power and persecute when given any power at all').

Exactly.

If they had any real interest in justice, they would have established a Truth Commission (not the IPN, but a real one) and threw open the archives. But it was obvious that they cared more about settling old political feuds than any real justice.

Could it also be that they have a fair few skeletons in the cupboard that they don't want exposed?

Those that revile the IPN, do you also think post-war de-Nazaification of Germany was also all wrong? Lots of Nazis slipped udner the wire anyway, but to this day thy are beign hunted, tracked down and prosecuted. Communism destroyed more lives than Nazism, Fascism and Francoism combined, so why should its movers, shakers and assorted henchmen and goons get off scot free?.

Because Polonius, the brave people in 1989 who were negotiating with the regime had nothing previous to refer to. They had no idea what they were doing - and in line with Poland's Catholic tradition of forgiveness, they chose to forgive rather than persecute.

I find it frankly bizzare that so-called Catholics are calling for all sorts of punishments when their religion preaches forgiveness as perhaps the one central theme.

I seem to remember something about who it is that can cast the first stone, perhaps you can remind me about the exact quote?

You see folks, Delphi has all the answers worked out in advance and rehearsed. You wonder why that is ...
And fails to answer the question of why Nazi murderers are rightly hunted, whereas Commie murderers and fellow travellers are fine, brave chaps who saved the nation and lined their pockets in the process.

Or perhaps the 'answers' are perfectly clear when looked at with common sense and separated from emotional rhetoric, melodrama and right-wing hysteria.

my uncle was an insurgent like Rajmund Kaczyński and was in POW camp - nonetheless he was teaching at the Warsaw University [perhaps most of the students were members of commie youth and party] and then [after Stalin died] - a member of Polish Academy of Sciences. It's true, that he couldn't travel abroad [till 1959]. And nor he nor my aunt were ever members of party [not even SD]. And they are not listed in archives of IPN.

Are you sure he wasn't a party member? It wasn't exactly something you'd bring up...

yes, I'm sure

The ducks' father was a clear commie collaborator. Something generously glossed over by the PIS/Nasz Dziennik crowd. As far as I know, IPN has not published any files relating to him. By the way, IPN was offered by the government two alternative locations to their present offices.

I don't think so. I was talking about him with Juliusz Englert [also an insurgent - he was about 17 years old then]

museumoflondon.org.uk/Get-involved/Collaborative-projects/Belonging/PStories/World/Seperate/
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliusz_Englert

And his opinion about R. Kaczyński was very high

And you're certain, how?


What's the problem then?

And yes, he was a clear collaborator. His rather rapid rise, including lectures to the Party cadre could only have been as a result of some very severe collaboration.

I suspect when the current generation retires from politics, we're going to find some very nasty things out about the Kaczynski family.

delphiandomine
because I help my aunt to sort all the papers after his death - some of them were send to KUL - he was a professor there. In all of them {identity cards, employment certificates, CV's, he was cited as non-party. Are you satisfied?

A few years ago IPN was dominated by maniacs from PIS. They published a few silly things.

Today I am not sure.

But PiS-controlled or not, IPN should stay. I regularly read their monthly historic booklets. Very informative.

Its all immaterial commies should be prosecuted en mass. I'm sure in exchange for latent adjudication they would sing like a nightingale. Providing all necessary material for tribunals to hang them by the neck like a mangy dogs their are.

You on a trip again? :):):):)

Or just need your daily doze of attention and just happened to run into me? :):):):)

Just let you know that you shouldn't complain few publication uncomfortable for few individuals is not really a problem. Silly? Yes, I suppose it is silly living in the land of commies and PRL-bis and writing about their dirty past.

Until one day you become this individual and your life is ruined.


You believe it because it is your only pretext to stay in US and not come back to Poland. ??????

sounds melodramatic, I would say very unlikely examples - Maleszko, Boni!
Yet I can understand a need to maintain false image of themselves.
My answer - how many people life they ruined?

Come on, I am not talking about clear cases of communist agents/moles who were tracked down and forced to admit their cooperation with secret services.

I am talking about people who were falsely accused by IPN and had to go to court to fight for their rights:

University professor proved his innocence and won with IPN after 7 years

Pawian,What do the letters IPN stand for?

And this is why I think the files should have been locked up and not accessed until the last person born under Communism had died.

It is *far* too easy to ruin someone with some false accusations - the latest accusations towards the good General underline this. What good does it do to openly accuse a general of the at this point in his life?

Institute of National Rememberance

Institute of National Remembrance - Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation (Polish: Instytut Pamięci Narodowej - Komisja Ścigania Zbrodni przeciwko Narodowi Polskiemu; IPN) is a Polish government-affiliated research institute with lustration prerogatives[2] and prosecution powers[3] founded by specific legislation.[2] It specialises in the legal and historical sciences and in particular the recent history of Poland.[4] IPN investigates both Nazi and Communist crimes committed in Poland between 1939 and 1989, documents its findings and disseminates the results of its investigations to the public.[4]

The Institute was established by the Polish Parliament on December 18, 1998.[3] The Institute started its activities on July 1, 2000.
According to a new law which went into effect on March 15, 2007, IPN was to be mandated to carry out lustration procedures prescribed by Polish law.[2] However, key articles of that law were judged unconstitutional by Poland's constitutional court on May 11, 2007 so the role of IPN in the lustration process is at present unclear.[5]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_National_Remembrance


Hey, that is.....

Never mind. :):):):)

Pawian,thanks for the link.

Pawian - I never knew that the IPN was only to cover from 1939 onwards. Is there any body set up to deal with the crimes committed under the II RP?

Oooops.

Nope.

Why?

Communist judges already dealt with those crimes in 1950s.

easy to say.... Don't you think, that [if - and it's highly probably, as SB have a lot of documents stolen and/or copied] someone [foreigner or Polish could blackmail some politicians in order to gain political or economical gains?

Saturday’s Gazeta Wyborcza contested claims that the IPN (National Remmebrance Institute) was poor or persecuted. The paper said it has a yearly budget of 223 million złotys and employs 2,200 staff including 135 prosecutors. Over the past decade the IPN has taken 35 people to court of whom 12 were convicted, the paper said. But it failed to explain why the Michnikite rag has so hotly opposed any form of de-communisation or lustration. over the years. Maybe the memory of Michnik's dad, mum and brother (all Stalinist collaborators) and otehrs like them in the leftist-liebral camp -- both living and dead -- has something to do with it.

You mean, as to the ducks' father, a known commie collabo?