Poland is the source of horsemeat in burgers?

I've ruminated on this for a bit and have come to the conclusion that as soon as you put a human in charge of anything they will let you down.

its not humans barney its money, horse wouldn't be in the meat if it wasnt making somebody extra cash somewhere along the line. Every time its profit before all else, even if it means killing people in the process.

The examples are everywhere, absolutely everywhere.

I thought that was cows not horses.


Champing at the bit?

Variant CJD was not discovered by them and is not the same disease and has different causes, prognosis and result. If you had the slightest understanding of the issue you would know this - because vCJD was the reason for the 10 year ban not CJD.

So, we have discovered you have no idea what BSE is or the disease that it causes but you think, against the advice and evidence of every medical, scientific and government authority in the world that eating BSE infected meat is 'safe'.

Ok.


More vague waffle. Provide some facts to prove your accusation.

Discoverd by and named after them in 1960.


rather better than you, it seems.

Strange you think that Supply Chain management is 'vague waffle' - I suppose we've come to expect such nonsense from you. The oddest thing is that you've failed to spot the obvious. The horsemeat issue was discovered and exposed through the correct channels.

As I seay, with the beef issue, it was entirely transparent. Well publicised, fully investigated. No cover-ups. Important that the same happens here.

vCJD is not the same a CJD

Its a different disease.

Its not the SAME.

CJD is irrelevant as it is not caused by BSE and is significantly different.

vCJD was discovered in the 1990's and was named as such because of the similar effects it has on the brain.

Do you understand?


The waffle is your claim that super efficient processes immediately pinned down the source of the meat. It hasn't. There is no 'supply chain management'.

There is no traceability.
Nobody has any idea where the meat came from or where it went.
The procedures that were put in because of BSE are very evidently not working. This is the scandal.


Over a decade of insisting BSE was no threat to human health, refusing to act when the prion jumped from Sheep, to cattle to cats (for years) until dead humans could be sliced up.

BSE disaster was a good example of open and transparent handling of a food scare?? Amazing claim, utter rubbish.


I agree, but if they did this after BSE scare (and the other scandals such as selling condemned chicken etc) they will do the same again in future. The only answer is to avoid process meat product for the rest of your life.

The supposed 'quality' and branding of food is undermined when you discover Findus buy anonymous lasagna from foreign factories with no quality control whatsoever, and the supermarkets are doing the same thing.

This French company quite obviously has been buying horse meat deliberately, the difference to beef must have been obvious.
guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/09/aldi-100-percent-horsemeat-beef-products

Any news on English horse meat ?

Yes, doesn't seem to be involved,

The French have shipping 100% horsemeat all around Europe for at least 6 months, the is claim its from Romania now.

Comigel make at least 60,000 tonnes per year of frozen Lasagna etc. and ship it to 15 countries.


guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/08/horsemeat-scandal-more-to-come

Was discovered decades ago - however you try to spin it.


I doubt the supermarkets in question would agree with you. Especially since they traced it.


Very. If there was a cover-up, how would we know so much about it.


Hardly anonymous, and as you'll know (though not neccessarily understand) if you read the newspapers, it has been discovered.


So far, the only horsemeat that has been positively tracked down was Polish. The Romania aspect is interesting and needs investigation, troll.

it will be on some level though, I go to a monthly horse sales here in UK where horsemeat dealers are in evidence, they probably transport to France.

Usually only the best goes to France. the rest goes for petfood.

Prove it.

They didn't trace anything. DNA test came back positive for horsemeat. Its now very apparent that they CANNOT trace it.


Funny that, no economic value in horse meat. Which is why the focus is shifting to this trade.


In fact, Poland is the only place where Horsemeat has NOT been found marked as beef.


Try reading the newspaper article you are responding to rather that making up your own self serving story line.


They refused to ban beef for six years after the evidence was clear that it was a health risk. Lying to the public to protect the beef industry, yeah I suppose its not a coverup.

This sort of thing happens occasionally. Is it really a story about lax or sub-standard requirements at Polish meat-processing facilities, or is it perhaps more of a local story about ONE shoddy distributor, "spruced up" to cast the Poles in a poor light? I remember sitting in the archives at my job in a Savannah Georgia library, wasting time by reading old bound health inspectors filings. Once, there was a Chinese Restaurant whose operating license was suspended for using cat meat. I always thought the old "cat meat" trope about Chinese places was just an urban myth. Apparently not, but it also didn't convince me that the one case, though egregious, was symptomatic of any larger problem.

Well, well I'm learning everyday something new. Today I have learned that horse-meat has nationality.::D

Problem is processed food industry and they shoddy dealing and generally a race after profit and disregard for human health and well-being.People are seen as customers not individuals. I would laid the blame on the doorsteps of the western civilization and her business practices and social attitudes. Talking about Polish horse-meat is like talking about Polish swan eaters an urban myth or rather one convenient scapegoat.

It does indeed. the horse was called Wojciech.

It's all about expectations. People (many people, anyway) expect ready made food cheaply and in quantity. Something has to give.


And they traced horsemeat from the supply chain.


Because either a. it was only exported or more likely b. there is less far transparency in public life, a weaker media andno legal obligation to disclose the information.


An amusing statement, from one who tried everything else and failed.


It was available in the shops even after it was banned from institutional catering - and yes, the very fact that we have so much information at our fingertips on the matter shows that it is not covered up.

Did you know him personally?

Only from your facebook page.

He was a tasty bugger!

Where did you find out about it ?
Instead of digging into Polish , better start checking American substandard requirements and food frauds , as an American you are directly affected by such not us .

Hey, I said this had nothing to do with Poland, it had to do with a specific processor or distributor. You know why I didn't respond in Polish? Because I don't know the language well enough to be sure I'm not easily confused and needlessly aggravated. Perhaps you should do the same.

the latest is that a french company has being supplying frozen meals in the uk and Ireland with 100 % horse meat, even worse, is it contains traces of drugs that are harmfull to people. Expect a lot more of this to come out in the following months.

thejournal.ie/horsemeat-contamination-likely-not-accidental-findus-uk-789450-Feb2013

Update
breakingnews.ie/ireland/romania-announces-horse-meat-inquiry-584229.html

It is all lies!!!! It is a Dirty Trick by Churchill!!!!!!!!!!!

She isn't asking you to speak polish, its just a misinterpretation between yourselves. she's asking you to not slag off Poland (even though you aren't, but she doesn't understand)

Welcome back Jason, I missed your unique and interesting perspective...

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I snuffed out any suggestion that I was anti-Poland as quickly as possible, because that kinda thing can be hard to shake, here.


Thank you, sir!

Thank you Peter for explaining , but my intention was pointing out to Jason that Polish meat production facilities have got strict procedures and our food is safe . It is very rare that we can hear about meat scandals and our food is healthy ( so far ) . He ( Jason ) directly and openly without any subtleties says that Polish meat production facilities have substandard requirements . I think he knows nothing about them but still he is debating about something wrong with Polish procedures . It all seems that we deal with international food fraud where Poland is just a country pasively mixed up in a fraud and our role is none , at least so far the investigation says that .

Oh, if only there were some record of what I actually said...


Huh! How bout that? I never accused them at all. I asked if we were asking the right questions for the right reasons. I was defending Poland, and you were so rabid in your knee-jerk protectiveness that it went right past you. And don't tell me "that Polish meat production facilities have got strict procedures and our food is safe". You don't know what happens at each and every meat-packing plant every day of the weak. Even huge corporations in the U.S. like Tyson Foods mess up from time to time. But again, that was not the point I was making. The point I've made three times, now.

And you know this how? The UK is supposed to have very strict food regulations, as is the rest of the EU and, once again, greed has overcome it. Pass the salt, not road salt please...?

I suspect the horsemeat trade had been going for a decade and nobody noticed, because its very easy to pass off any old **** as long as its mashed up enough.

Maggots, flies, cockroaches,rotten meat, dog, cat, horse, excrement. If you can't identify the meat as meat then you will have eaten this posing as meat.

It been going on for centuries and if the BSE scandal couldn't stop it nothing will. If you don't want to eat adulterated crap, eat clearly identifiable meat or fish.

As usually the finger pointing to suppliers goes on. But the responsibility lies with the retailer who fed the consumer, thats the fraud. If retailers don't like it they should have keep their promises of quality and traceability.

You do anyway - you'd be surprised what gets into the food chain.


Ultimately the responsibility is with the state to insist on controls.


Hahahahaha. Do you remember the scandal in Konstancin Jeziorna, where dead cats and dogs from the dog pound were going into processed food?

Believe me - UK controls are not perfect, but at least they happen and at least they can't be bypassed by a bribe to an official.

A nod a wink is good enough in the UK, apparently. However, bribery to meat inspectors has happened in the past.