Shops in Poland to be closed on Sunday?

people like to put atheism into a category. Which itself can be strewed as a belief. I prefer to use the term "non believer". That is what I am. I don't want to get lumped into a group of radical thinkers. So, I use a term which has no negative connotation.

- There is a very clear work law in Poland (at least in those respects). In some circumstances if you really are necessary at work on some weekend or holiday your employer can ask you to come, however you will be paid extra e.g. +100% or more for that. Also you get a day off on some other day. So where's the big damage? If you decide to work in a shop, you must expect this. Same as a baker must be aware he'll be working nights as that's when the bread is made.


That just made my day, I can relax now;)

Most shops are already forced to close on Public Holidays, hence the long queues outside petrol stations and panic buying in food shops the day before.

Well referendum doesn't give a guarantee of objectivity, sometimes people could be wrong about thing and given a chance they would redress that.
To put it plainly, many people voted for secular scathe falsely believing they are voting for tolerance when in fact it only opened the back door for intolerance and dictate of minorities.

I think that Christian is the real guarantee of democracy and tolerance in a society.


Since I have understood Harry I'm not bothered any more by his posts. His inner dialog emerges sometimes in this forum.

Yes


The damage is that when your girlfriend/fiancee/wife/friend/father/mother/brother/sister has a day off, you can't go to spend some time with him/her because you'll take another day off when he/she and everybody else is going to be at work, so you'll have a "fantastic" day by yourself. That's the damage.

Do "Judge not lest ye be judged" or "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone at her" ring any bells?

What about Jesus' teaching that prayer should not be in public?
Or Jesus' words about the Old Testament still applying (or did I miss the bit where modern Catholics hate shrimp)?
And of course no Catholic would ever dream of getting divorced, would they?


Weren't you recently warned by a mod not to post off-topic and not to insult people? It seems that you won't listen to warnings; pity, I'm sure she'd prefer not to ban you, are you going to leave her with no choice?

I myself am working frequently on Sundays. But that is out of my own choice because that is free-lance (the same I am working sometimes at 05.30 in the morning). My wife frequently works Sundays but she is a journalist so that is normal.

I do not think however that Auchan and the other baddies should be open on Sundays. People working there have no choice.
Same as before Christmas and Easter they have to work until the last minute.

In my native Belgium shops are closed on Sunday and nobody cries about it.
Has nothing to with the "Lord's Day" or crap like that. Just the hard-fought for idea that people have the right to Sunday off.

More specifically, local shops (bakeries, butchers, small local supermarkets) are open until 14:00 hrs and that is it. The big ones (Carrefour & Co) are not allowed to open on Sundays. And yes, as in Poland a lot of the staff during the weekend are students. But they know the drill.

And a baker from my example has to sleep the whole day after working at night. And a miner sees no sunlight! They should all go on strike, because they are abused, right?


Hahahah. If this was a joke - I laughed, if not (and knowing Ironside's posts I fear it wasn't...) I still laugh but through tears! Christianity is authoritarian and not tolerant, where did you get this from?

Ironside was warned by mods


? Well then, how tolerant! Real guarantee of tolerance!

They do indeed and have exactly nothing to do with your sectarian statement
"I suppose it is a bit too extreme to expect Catholics to follow the teachings of Christ.".

Would you say that the majority of Catholics in Poland follow the teachings which I quoted? All of the ones which I quoted, not just the ones which you cherry picked.

Although to come back to the topic, it would very much seem that Jesus says that the only people who can criticise those who wish to work on Sundays are those who are without sin. Are we to assume that the people who are calling for a ban on Sunday trading consider themselves to be without sin? Or simply that they consider the teachings of Christ do not apply to them?


This forum would be a far nicer place if you could manage to post without insulting other posters.

Of course not, but as long as everybody who's working on the same line of work has a day off why am I supposed to work? The professions you mention are a bit different, because a miner knows where he's going to work, and a baker knows at what time he/she's supposed to start work. But in an average job which starts at 7-8:00 am and finishes somewhere in the afternoon ( 16-17:00 )and the workplace is above the ground it's a bit unfair for people to not be able to spend a normal holiday with kids or family. That's all I had in mind, no strikes.

cough .. Cleansing of the Temple cough...

cough ... shopping malls are temples for Mammon ... cough ... Mammon is not our Lord and God ... cough

...Sunday is not the day we should worship Mammon, cough...

Sunday is not the day when most Poles worship Jesus either. Fewer than four in ten Poles bother going to church regularly on a Sunday.

I wonder what percentage of Poles regularly commit the supposed sin of buying things on a Sunday. Anybody happen to have any numbers to hand?

2/2 at my home :D

Thats exactly why the law may be needed.

How queer, you disagree with me and you rejoice when someone say something bad about me without verifying whether it is true or not. How balanced, reasonable and tolerant person you are, in case your vanity would prevent you from seeing my words for what they are - this is sarcasm.


Well, that according to your booklet you carry around "The little heathen". The same source explain why heathens are better people than everybody else especially Christians. They may claim that all they want but it doesn't make it true. Put your little ideological bias aside and see the world for what it is.


I see a day without a dig at Catholics or Christians is a day wasted. I wonder what your booklet says about Jews, would you be so blatantly offensive towards them as well?

Nevertheless if you don't like Christians go back into the protective darkness of your native woods.They will no bother you there. Do not buy a rifle though like your countryman recently.

You mean that Poles are rejecting Christianity and so they must be forced by the law of the land to observe religious teaching which they have clearly rejected? Surely even you can see where that one ends up.

Still, if you want to hasten the end of the RCC in Poland, I guess that that is your business.

So Harry, why are you not being happy with shops being closed on Sundays?


Again we see here an obvious misconception regarding the nature of "knowledge". Science isn't knowledge. Technology isn't knowledge. Medicine isn't knowledge. All those things are predicated upon mere information, the accumulation of which is the farthest possible thing from true knowledge.

Now, consider this. What is the purpose of life? For a modern person, to live means to take advantage of what the physical world has to offer, meaning that existence is a simple pursuit of egotistic and hedonistic impulses. For an ancient person, life meant to become closer to the creator, that is, spiritual realization, because he understood that the physical world offered no happiness (by definition really, which is clear to anyone who actually understands what the physical world truly is). Now, consider for a moment what is entailed behind the scientific enterprise of the modern world, and the amount of effort and the type of demands this aberration imposes upon the lives of millions of people. Can anyone even find the time to seek spiritual realization when we are all basically slaves of this scientific and technological apparatus we tend to regard so highly? An ancient person only experienced spiritual things, whether due to his closeness to virgin nature or his exposure to a tradition that had a direct connection with the eternal. A modern person is thrown into profanity from the moment he is born to the moment he dies. Our surroundings are profane and artificial, our experiences set upon non-spiritual or outright anti-spiritual things. From our youth we are trained in some technical or social skill, to spend our existence to maintain a system which serves as its own justification. And for what? Comfort and conveniences? The ability to escape certain types of diseases, and thus extended our chances for a life that's going to end in death anyway? Is this truly the mark of a civilization that has finally reached true "enlightenment"?

You are holding Catholics to a standard that you have arbitrarily chosen in order to hide your clear sectarian comment.

If I wanted to debate theology I would choose someone who knew something about theology.

The forum would be a better place without sectarian comments

I'm not religious in the slightest. I do think there is merit in the German system however. Shopping centres being open 24/7 is convenient, but these private companies cannot be trusted not to exploit workers. They try to erode the premium payments made constantly for unsociable hours.

I think restricting Supermarkets and shopping centres to something like 10-4pm on Sundays would be a good compromise. The leisure industry would of course be excluded, as would convenience stores under a certain size. People could still get whatever essentials they need.

In Paris pharmacies rotate their Weekend openings around local clusters of 4/5 shops. Means public get essential service while people get reasonable leisure time. I think such practical solutions work best.

Irishlodz dont be using common sense it just confuses people.

I see no reason why people should not be free to practise the profession of their choosing at the time of their choosing. I also see no reason why people should be able to force their religious beliefs on other people: if you don't agree with people working on Sundays, don't work on Sundays and don't support people who do.


That is precisely why Labour law exists.


Catholics claim to follow Christ: the standards they should aim to follow are the one Christ gave to them. It's a pity that many of them do not.


If I wanted to again debate theology (unlikely after spending three years living in a flat with two women who were each taking the finest Bth in the country), I'd choose somebody who can debate without throwing in insults and lies.

I knew someone who could speak Japanese doesn't make me fluent in that language.

I'm still waiting for you to explain your Sectarian comments, of course you are not going to do so

Great. No need to discuss anything further then. Just sit back and enjoy your ride. BTW - I strongly disagree with you.


How can you be so sure? Have you talked to every single person alive today? Aren't you being a tad judgmental and prejudiced? I personally know a lot of people, myself included, who do not simply pursue their egotistic impulses, even though they are not "religious".


Another sweeping generalisation. Do you think people several thousand years ago did not want to have lots of sex, to be rich, to rule and dominate others? You must be dreaming. As to virgin nature, you could read up on how our early ancestors changed the landscapes we live in today and think of as "natural" ;-)

No you aren't: I've already pointed out the tiny little teachings of Jesus which more than a few Catholics have problems with.
Did Jesus also have something to say about constantly telling fibs?

Come to think of it, did Jesus have anything at all to say about not going shopping on one day of the week? Or is this yet another of the 'I think what God meant to say' situations. I do seem to remember Jesus saying something about his followers not needing to be worried about people judging them for what they eat or drink or for their behaviour on holy days.

On the contrary Harry, you made a blatant sectarian comment and I would like you to explain it.
I suppose it is a bit too extreme to expect Catholics to follow the teachings of Christ

Holding Catholics to a higher standard than other denominations in an attempt to explain your comment is also sectarian, surely your flat mates told you that.

What booklet? I am really curious what booklet you mean that I carry? The Unwritten Book of Logics and Common Sense? Mind, Reason and Sanity, pt 1 and 2?


Ok, I might do it because it sounds appealing when you write it like that;). If I don't reply for too long that means I'm there with no Internet access of course!

Well if I'm


then I may as well be full of


;). I didn not check it, is it not true you were warned then? Anyway, all I did was to comment on the conversation I quoted. If you were not warned by a mod, then don't worry about it.



Contrary to you probably, I am not folowing any particular one book or booklet, not even a leaflet. I do however despise any mind limitations that people set for other people, whether by religious books (any) or by other means.


I don't think his comment was sectarian at all. And the presumption made by Harry was probably made on what we all can see. Not many people go to church, far more declare faith (yet they don't practise it), and even more are put in stathistics as believers because the data is shown based on the fact of being baptised.


It isn't?


This seems like a very good direction maybe, a compromise!

I'm not holding the people who want to ban Sunday trading to a higher standard than other people because they are Catholics, I expect them to behave at that standard because they are Christians (specifically Catholics). Or at least they claim to be Christians and Catholics, the actions of many of them very much suggest otherwise.


In that case we need to ban all people from working any hours other than ten to four on Sunday. And of course on Saturday, due to that being the Jewish Sabbath. And on Friday, in respect for our Muslim brothers. And on Tuesday, I have always hated working on Tuesday, because the FSM says I shouldn't.