Poland's Sejm passes anti-terrorist act; opposition negate

No, like lefty-libertine whackos who bash the traditonal family and Catholicism,
promote pervert marriage, abortion on a whim, legalising "recreational" drugs, and self-style gender identification.

Isn't that the United States that you live in ? Why don't you come here to Poland ? All these legislation, laws, politics that you support are affecting our lives (the people who are living here) not yours.

When supporters of PiS write trash like that on a public internet forum it's no wonder that people just don't trust them. And their attempt to abuse anti-terrorism legislation to stifle the media and ban legitimate Polish pro-democracy rallies just adds to this.

That's delphinine and others almost verbatim. You sure you're not kissing and all? On the other hand being from Syria and a Muslim you have the right of it of being concern about those laws - to some extend at least.

On the other hand those laws are pretty standard nowadays elsewhere and have been long way in waiting to be introduced in Poland.
Scaremongering by certain bad losers are just that a pure malarkey.

Are you fantasizing about it ?


And polish.


An atheist from a catholic family


I voiced the reason of my concerns, I might be wrong, but time will tell, there are already people who are condoning the use of this law to suppress demonstrations

The problem with the Morawiecki plan is that the profits of the big Polish companies have been scythed in half since he has been in power. polish capital is likely to flee just as foreign capital has.

It's likely to flee even more since the plans were announced to forcibly take control of private companies if the government suspects 'wrongdoing'. It's pretty clear that the plan is to fund these large state-controlled companies by taxing the hell out of ordinary Poles.

The end result is pretty obvious.

All the time.
Seriously though one has to wonder has your been infected by his germs hence you're repeating verbatim his rubbish arguments or have you imported those from Syria.


Sure, I don't know you but seeing the way you arguing here and your stance I doubt that very much.


Should have more sense coaming from a real regime into troubled but nonetheless democratic country and distinguish between an authoritarian regime of his home country and a democratically elected one with ease.


You voiced historical scaremongering common to those who are on the opposite spectrum of politicks in Poland, namely those who lost the last election and cannot get over it. I'm guessing that you simply took their spin on things and their malarkey for the real McCoy.

If there were a real threat to the considerable freedoms in Poland I would be first to rise my voice against it. As it is there is no such a threat, even thought that overtly government in Poland is too big but it is a common European malady.


So what? Some anonymous voice on the internet? So what? That is a democracy anybody can have his or her say. That doesn't equal with government's policy.

I think that is a good opportunity to ask few valid (this time) concerns that are based in reality not some feelings.
I mean what is a purpose of those demonstrations? Those sizeable gatherings are indeed and in a way a threat to the security.
What more in order to police those demonstrations Polish taxpayer is paying a lump sum of money.

So was the taxpayer in communist times.............do you get the connection Ironside?

The funniest thing is that anyone that's attended a KOD demonstration knows that they police themselves very effectively. The police are only needed to stop the "nationalist" thugs from attacking KOD demonstrations.

A minority inclduing PO operatives, libertines, leftists, Church-bashers and the like may not trust the good governance government, but many more do. Think May 2015 presidential vote, October 2015 genral election, and succesesive political-preference polls which show that the clique you hang out with are not representiative of the Polish nation.

You mean the same polls that show Polish society to be split pretty much straight down the middle?

I didn't say that the current political system in Poland is authoritarian, but i'm seeing many elements (especially in this anti-terrorist act) that suggest that it's shifting towards authoritarianism. Again, I might be wrong, but time will tell :)

Its Putinism.

Putin is popular in Russia, if you have an ill educated population you can feed them crap about the Mighty Empire and they will believe it because they want to belive it.

It looks like PiS have copied Putins methods, which is why democrats are conserned about Poland.

Yes, although I'd say it's currently getting very authoritarian here - only the current party who re temporarily in office though, not the system as a whole (although they want to change that). After the next election we are likely to have a different party in government.


Absolutely spot on. The PiS abuse of the new anti-terrorism law is a symptom of this.

{jon357 - legitimate Polish pro-democracy rallies}
Pro-democracy is a euphemism if there ever was one. This has nothing to do with democracy and everythnin to do with thinking the post-communist gravy train would last indefinitely. But nothing does. All over the world one poltical formation wins, then loses. In 12 or 16 years some party that doesn't even exist at present may replace PiS at the helm. Hopefully they will do half as good a job for Poland. And that is democracy. Not anarchistic attacks on a democratically elected government by poor losers who cannot accept defeat.

How can they have done a good job when they have hardly done anything at all? In five years time you can judge them, for now the jury is out.

That's pretty well spot on; so far they have done nothing good and are currently treading water to try and avoid total failure. PiS as a party are entirely self-seeking; they don't care if Poland as a whole fails, their leadership only care that the tiny footnote in history that they as families will get isn't abjectly shameful.

Roman Giertych's sort of uncle and the way that family respond to being related to him, Stefan Żeromski, is a case in point.

Did you see how that backbench MP commandeered a police helicopter to fly him the length of the country on what was very clearly a personal trip? How are actions like that supposed to help the police do their jobs?

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Who did this?
That's crazy

My quoting of other posters isn't showing up........Mods can you check why please?

It's signed into law today, basically giving them the right to ban public assemblies they disagree with.

Interesting to see how the law is used over time..,

" right to ban public assemblies " but linked to the terror threat level 4 being the highest.

If the government misuses this law, it will be transparent to the population at large, and in that case I do not think they would get a second term.

After all in Poland we like our demonstrations, democracy in action.

Opinion polls currently suggest they won't get one, unless as part of a coalition.

I do suspect that either they'll misuse it or will be accused of misusing it sometime before their term ends.


Indeed this is true. Worthwhile pointing out that PiS have something of a history of suppressing and trying to suppress them, especially in the capital.

jon357 - rying to suppress them, especially in the capital

The only demo they tried to suppress was the highly controversial
Equality March which most Poles opposed anway. That was before KOD who would be screaming bloody murder if that happened now.

"screaming bloody murder if that happened now." This is true I can't see this or any other Polish government suppressing free speech and democracy in Poland unless it for genuine safety grounds.

Quite. Trying to suppress lawful demonstrations.


I doubt most were aware of the issue.


Rightly so.