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10 km of a road in Poland costed... 2,3 bilions of PLN!


puella  4 | 170  
18 Jan 2011 /  #1
and even though the road is completely botched as a control reveiled that asphalt layer is too thin.

Is this a norm (I mean the costs) also in other countries or just Poles let themselves to be screwed??

More details here:

10 km road for 2.3 billion zł and still botched . On the stretch of the S8 express route between Konotopa and ul. Powązkowska in Warsaw detected too little asphalt in the asphalt .

"Life of Warsaw" warns that the most expensive in Poland, because costing 2.27 billion zł , over a 10- kilometer stretch of the future bypass of Warsaw , is a great fudge . So says the General Directorate for National Roads and Motorways. For comparison, the total cost of the construction of 91 km of the A2 motorway Konotopa Strikov to reach 3.2 billion zł .

BBman  - | 343  
18 Jan 2011 /  #2
Happens often in Poland. Companies get contracts to build roadways in Poland but they buy/use less supplies and keep the excess money. Nothing knew here.

I remember driving on the highway between Warsawa and Bialystock (many years ago before i moved to Poland) only less than 1 year after it was constructed and it already had 2 groves for the tires running several kilometers. It was raining that day too, so you could imagine how dangerous that drive was.
wildrover  98 | 4430  
18 Jan 2011 /  #3
it already had 2 groves for the tires running several kilometers.

This is so drunk drivers can pass out without going off the road...
ShawnH  8 | 1488  
19 Jan 2011 /  #4
German Taxpayer Euro's hard at work!

1 year after it was constructed and it already had 2 groves for the tires running several kilometers

And that was just the exit road from Bialystok! Dziadek has his dzialka on the west side, by the DHL yard..
SeanBM  34 | 5781  
20 Jan 2011 /  #5
Is this a norm (I mean the costs) also in other countries or just Poles let themselves to be screwed??

The problem is, they have to take the lowest bid by law.
jwojcie  2 | 762  
20 Jan 2011 /  #6
I have no intention of defending road builders here, but... this lack asphalt thing... The journalists blow this thing out of proportions. AFAIK in 3 proofs out of at least a few dozens amount of asphalt was 0,2% below the norm... There are some other minor things to repair but contractor has to do that on guaranty terms (which is two years).

As for the cost, try at least to compare apples with apples. It is not some road near some village but a road inside of a 3 mln aglomeration with about twenty different kind of bridges and myriads of infrastructure which had to be taken care of during the process (gas pipes, water pipes, electrcity, etc...), not to mention the price of land in such densely urbanized area...
sobieski  106 | 2111  
20 Jan 2011 /  #7
As for the cost, try at least to compare apples with apples. It is not some road near some village but a road inside of a 3 mln aglomeration with about twenty different kind of bridges and myriads of infrastructure which had to be taken care of during the process (gas pipes, water pipes, electrcity, etc...), not to mention the price of land in such densely urbanized area...

That is true. If you see where the road was built, it was inside Warsaw. Which does not make things exactly easier and for sure more costly.
convex  20 | 3928  
20 Jan 2011 /  #8
I have no intention of defending road builders here, but... this lack asphalt thing... The journalists blow this thing out of proportions. AFAIK in 3 proofs out of at least a few dozens amount of asphalt was 0,2% below the norm... There are some other minor things to repair but contractor has to do that on guaranty terms (which is two years).

With the road already failing, was it bad material, or did they not know what they were doing?
jwojcie  2 | 762  
20 Jan 2011 /  #9
^^
In regard of asphalt case it is not like road is failing, yet... I'm not a specialist here, what I've read about this specific norm the contractor broke in some parts is that there suppose be <A, A+0,2% * A> asphalt. In some parts there supposedly is <A - A*0,2%, A>. So the norm is very strict. There seems to be some deeper layers here though in that story.

Some say that GDDIK wants by hitting contractor force this company to extend guaranty which is very short (two years, it is short in road contracts).

We will see how it ends. They opened that road so it is rather not total failure ;)
Trevek  25 | 1699  
20 Jan 2011 /  #10
The problem is, they have to take the lowest bid by law.

Yep, so no incentive for quality work. The crap company gets the job.

Three companies go to tender for a road job.

The German company says "2 million Euroes",
The Ukrainian company says "500,000 Euroes"
The Warmian-Mazurian company says "2,500,000 Euroes".

The minister's eyes pop! "How can you say 2,500,000 Euroes? It's even more than the Germans."

The builder says, "One million for you, one million for me and we get the Ukrainian guy to do the job."
Richfilth  6 | 415  
21 Jan 2011 /  #11
This ten kilometres involved a triple-bridge construction at one end (the junction with Prymasa Tysiaclecia), then a new bridge over it 1km later, then another bridge, an undercut, the tram line being removed, rebuilt, removed and rebuilt again, then another undercut, another new bridge, a solution to an existing train line, another new bridge, then another new bridge, another, another and finally another, then the connection to the rest of the S8 that will be built afterwards.

So, 11 bridges, a new tram line, a new train line AND six lanes of asphalt, 2.3bn zlotys seems cheap.
Varsovian  91 | 634  
21 Jan 2011 /  #12
The devil is in the detail - something that journalists like to miss out!
Olaf  6 | 955  
21 Jan 2011 /  #13
"10 km of a road was costing... 2,3 bilions of PLN!" - Ahhh, marble pavements, best asphalt, ground heating, 6 lanes, with lighting, separated...

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