Will you be proud of tranny (transsexual) representing Poland ?

Lols, you dont know what something is so of course its not available in Poland..sheeeeeeeeeeeet ,didnt know you were the minister for Health :)
ps, is Sex Change surgery even available in Poland? Or publicaly paid for if it is?


Seriously, just because you dont understand it doesnt mean it doesnt exist or is not possible.
I have no real understanding of quite how the planet stays where it is,but it does,thats enough really.

this is actually quite simple from the point of physics

breast glands in males is however a bit counter-intuitive to me

Adjustable gastric band:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric_band

- the positives seem to outweigh negatives here - and obesity can be a serious medical condition unlike the desire to change your sex - so no - transexualism is not medical condition in my eyes but a mental one

Yes, Im sure it is simple if Id studied physics at collage, I didnt,I did do psch' though so with the benefit of a bit of eye opening education I can speak with a modicum of authority on this subject. Not claiming expertise,but just as you understand physics I understand a little about the human condition in its many variations :)


Mate, what the hell are nipples doing on males????
Seriously, not "getting at you" just making the point,we have nipples that most of us dont use,just as women have a capacity for fitting shelves that they rarely use :)


By george he has nearly got it, sort of. In so much as 30 years ago this was still thought to be the case before Neuro Science caught up.

In a way it was seen as a "mental condition" but one who's only "cure" was a medical procedure.
Depresion is a "mental condition" but it is "cured" by the use of Drugs, ie, medical cure.

I think there were no real attempts at treating transgenderism with pharmaceuticals plus psychoterapy especially in more modern times - what I think the structure of the brain can alter a lot with such treatment and then if a person still holds on to the desire to change sex in an operation it must be a psychological thing (call it mental - I don't want to disparage anyone)

btw I just checked my nipples ;) - there is no way I can have mammary glands - it's just a different type of skin there - I wonder if any man tried androgenes (or any other hormones) for the sake of establishing if it is possible for a male person to have proper breasts with mammary glands - would be quite a sacrifice in the name of science


I meant oestrogens estrogens?

Maybe, after decades,by which time you must come close to seeing, a persons identity is also in the history of how they felt.


I seriously dont want to be rude for a change lol,but, This really does come down in your eyes to what "you dont think" ,sorry to burst your bubble,but scores of far more educated and knowladgable than you "do think", I sort of take the findings of dozens,if not hundreds of independant research projects by top world wide medical establishments over what you may or may not be able to comprehend :)

So "she" lied to the mother. "She" made the life of at least two human beings miserable - son and his mother. Very selfish and irresponsible individual I would say.

your average male to female tranny (if such a thing exists) is a bored old man who wishes to colonise the female in order to show that he knows more about being a woman than even a woman does.

what a tosser. What's wrong with a bit of simple cross dressing?

Is in their mid 20s to mid 30s.........and only leave it that late from dealing with bigots and half wits and b!tches that stick their beaks into others business.


Yes, just like judgemental ignorant cows they do exist.


Well you do a great job of disproving the gender stereotype that women are compasionate and less bigoted than men thats for sure. Maybe put down your dog eared copy of the female eunach and realise Germaine greer talks out of her slutty arse :)


I'll answer you with a quote;


Hey, here's a crazy idea, head out of arse,back away from the daily mail and maybe educate yourself. That way you may sound a bit less like some old man from the 1970s......

Me neither, as long as she stays out of my bedroom. Sorry, was that sexist?

Lols no, Ive seen the photos, she's no super model,more Tootsie :)

And how many would accept... ahhm, her... if she would look like this?

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SCNR ;)

nice earrings

The Adam's apple is a bit of a give-away.

And it's only from the waist up. Who's to say there isn't meat and two veg swinging away down below? Still and all, he/she looks pretty good.

A good point well made. While male politicions can look like a bag of potatoes after a tragic train crash and fire, female politicions are still judged on their looks.


if you think that whatever you do,dont look at side view photos of Zara Philips then :)

Gotta love Palikot's sense of humour - while the PiS maniacs will be busy slandering her, he'll get on with his job in opposition and will build RP further, making sure that PiS never, ever again win an election.

chill out isthatu, there's really no need to be abusive just because someone's opinion differs from yours. Am I guilty of 'thoughtcrime'?
Besides I have met a fair few trannies who had the surgery....nothing about them would change my opinion now, oh they KNOW IT ALL about gender trust me, soooooo superior to us mere women. hahaha a bit like you then ....I have noted your choice of vocabulary to abuse women..;)

Saves the life of many people and reduces the health costs of obesity. Its a good idea do gastric bands and for the health service to pay for it.

A few people die, but severe obesity is death sentence anyway.

I seriously wouldn't know how to behave around the guy (hmm lady) - I guess many PiS members will be equally baffled

Its a psychological problem. I dont really care if he/she whatever, is an mp as long as its not because they are a tranny.

at this moment in time I feel so sorry for my husbands cousins wife. she has the name Anna Grodzka. Her life has just changed.

Fortunately most experts, including the pioneering team at Johns Hopkins disagree with you.


To be fair to them, they've had to think about it more than most people.


PiS members being baffled and not knowing how to behave? Business as usual then...

Exactly Piast, unlikely to be a big instant vote winner though is it?


How about taking your own advice then roz'? Would you call people fag gots and nig gers , Pakis or Spackers?


If it could be defined as a lack of thought and careless slander,yes,whatever,if it makes you feel all righteously indignant....


Bet you are lying. Or do you make a habit of asking people what is in their pants?


No,clearly, you much prefer to be entrenched in a narrow minded vision based on what? An ex husband into cross dressing?


I will give you that,if you had said, "some of them..." as I have met "activists" who are a seriously up their own arses bunch of Alpha males in frocks.


Now, if that is true roz,that is just sad............besides, I wasnt aware of any gender bias in my abuse of bitter old bigots.


and roz's Hail Mary play; Imply that I may have something to hide, oh, how droll roz,how very passive aggresive......as a lad from a northern pit town who went to Ballet classes in the 80s from aged 11 frankly that sort of bollox is water off a ducks back,note to roz', must try harder , and maybe check your next boyfriend isnt some transvestite,you know, someone completly different to a transsexual, sorry, you didnt know that, my mistake, of course you didnt,why would you............

Experts agreed many times about different par excellent idiocies, like masturbation being one of the causes of blindness.

I heard our most prominent surgeons in that field Sava Perović, pioneer of sex change in this region, saying to his students that all of the research, international studies done until that moment, two, three years ago were inconclusive about solid medical condition that justifies sex change interventions. He said that 'He trusts the word of his patients (relying on report of their psychological states).

Also, when dealing with touchy subjects on the edge of science that has firm empirical base or science based on consensus of the experts, some caution is healthy.

Once upon a time in America experts also agreed on the existence of medical illness named drapetomania, illness equated with PATHOLOGICAL need of the black slaves to run away from their white masters into the freedom.

Careful.... ;)

Why would I lie? Some of my best friends etc etc...;)
why are you changing my quotes? I never use language like that, but obviously you do.


the thing is you used 'cow', *******' etc. All I did was, as this is a forum, offer an opinion.
I am not a bitter old bigot at all, I have mixed courteously with all kinds of people which is why I would never use your kind of language..;)

seriously up their own arses bunch of Alpha males in frocks.
hahaha finally we agree..;)

We agree only if you are speaking about the odd kook who appears on Daytime TV or Reality shows, people who by the very nature of wanting to appear on TV just to talk about themselves are obviously not going to be the norm or average person on the street.


Yes,and my Mum is Dolly Parton.


Roz, I'll give beeifit of the doubt here,but, you did, you used offensive terms at least twice if you dont count re quoting yourself, a term that just like paki nig ger and fag got are deemed hate terms under the hate crimes acts of UK law ( whether any words should be illegal is for another debate.), "tranny" and "trannies" are offensive terms which ever way you look at it,they are also ignorant and inaccurate as "tranny" can occasionally be a term used by straight male cross dressers to describe themselves, as you will know, cross dressers are not Transsexuals and share nothing more in common than some items of clothing.


No, all you did was propagete the sort of vile, ignorant and bigoted views that have led to 681+ Transsexuals being murdered in Hate crimes since 2008, 3 here in the UK, none in Poland BTW.

(hate crimes,silly term, no murder is a love crime, but, it fits the bill,the reason they died was hate of transsexuals.)


You did though, twice;



Maybe you didnt realise it, but, I doubt it, its pretty obviously not a term of endearment is it? But you do now know those terms are just as offensive as nig ger and paki and fag etc you will no doubt not use them again, ball in your court really. 681 daughters/sons brothers/sisters murdered in 3 years just because people didnt believe in transsexuals or prefered to listen to negative sh!t stirring scare stories.

If you are not mature enough to use the word "sex" or "sexual" in a longer word, may I suggest " Trans people"? This seems acceptable from what I hear.

OK isthatu, I thought it was a self referential term. I can only apologise if repeating the term used by the OP caused offence. Are you sending them abuse too? No I thought not. I do not hate anyone. And yes I do know some male to female transexuals who referred to themselves as 'trannies', that's why I thought it was OK. Yes I do have a very good friend of that persuasion, and have known some others.

My views were pretty inoffensive compared to other stuff on this and other threads.
I really have no idea why my small comment caused you so much offence.
I never use words like nigger or paki or spastic. You really don't know me at all. Please stop making assumptions.
I have not read Germaine Greer since I was 14, she was before my time really.

Good for you.


You repeated the term of an obviously flaming OP, but you didnt just "repeat the term" did you, you added lots of neggy little extras of your own.


I know you dont roz, thats what surprised me TBH, I just used those terms (that you know I dont use either ;) ) to hammer home a point for the record :)


You said some pretty horrible things about her,however indirectly, with your earlier posts then . With friends like these etc......


Ive got black mates who call themselves "nig ger" all the time, Ive used it a couple of times with them,but,in private,if that makes sense.

Its like gay people sometimes refering to themselves as Queer, its not like you or me are likely to use the term offhand is it.

nooooo....but you do agree about certain "Alpha males in frocks"? Jan Morris?


oh she is OK, a really good person.....I would biff anyone who insulted her personally, (not that she would need that hehehe)
I take your points about self referential language. Like in Rush Hour when Jackie Chan says, "wassup mah nigga"??

Lols, Ok, world war 2 veteren soldier turns female historian/travel writer, a complexe one that :)
But,with a simple answer really, because of the obvious pressure to " Be a Man" in the past,and probably still,many transsexual people went to extreme lengths to either make themselves "real men" or at least appear like "real men" to the outside world.


Well, you cant really argue with the procesion of chauvanistic truckers dressed like hookers who have appeared on This Morning/Jeremy Kyle etc etc can you?

Many hetro transvestites get a bit carried away, they ,it would appear, try to "excuse" the fact they get off on wearing stockings by convincing themselves they must really be women on the inside. Most will not get past one assesment with a Therapist. Thats why the ones who seem the oddest (apart from that antique "expert" weirdo from record breakers who now looks like Monty Burns uglier sister...strange fish that one.)on these shows are always there to "break the news" for the first time to people before they go to their GPs .

On the flip side Im sure you have met as many women who were born completly female who have the personalities of Alpha males,though generaly they wear sharp business suits :)


Thats really most of the point I tried to make, if a bit clumsily as you are not one of those on here who does throw around deliberate slurs :)

Sort of, when a wild animal acts like a wild animal you cant blame the wild animal but when a human acts like an animal you have to judge..if that makes sense? and Im not calling you a wild animal :)


Lols, Im sure she is :)
But, that doesnt mean that many trans people may not be complete arses, but like every other group of people sharing this rock there are arses and there are angels amongst them :)