Poland's political party to ban pornography?

Yep, I go to see Opera Theater and Ballet, but I stick to the fluffy nice stuff because I like to be entertained.

No reason the state should only fund family-friendly productions.

Anyway, people going to the theatre to watch the Dorfman were all happy despite the loons outside.

Of course NOT. Public financed institutions of culture exist so school kids and others can watch Polish and foreign classic. They shouldn't be showing any far left trash porn just like they shouldn't be showing any anti-Muslim Abdul the bomber type of plays. Conflicts between regional authorities and "institutions of culture" are actually quite frequent, usually there's just some local self appointed "guru", who thinks he is so "independent" that he owns the place and can do there whatever he wants, provide "jobs" to his own buddies, mismanage public funds etc. If you want to "push the boundaries" just feck out and set up your own institutions, there are quite a few private theaters in Poland and they can do whatever they want over there unless they rape people etc. but it's just more difficult when you need to run it as a business, it's better to take millions from public pocket, have 100 people on payroll and play "feck the system, I am an independent artist" pathetic nonsense. If this porn is as good as they say, just do it on your own and make millions, what's the problem ?


I guess majority of people watching films with Klaudia Figura are quite happy too but it doesn't mean they should be subsidised by PISF.

Yes, what is the problem? I don't like stupid American TV shows, such as Game of Thrones, but the TV stations which I am going to be forced to subsidise buy them. Because that's obviously part of the entertainment culture. Now can I kindly suggest you get off your high horse and let the rest of us get on with our intellectual freedom.

Thanks.

Sure there is, it promotes healthy standards of living to "enrich" a healthy culture such as Poland's Christian moral majority.

Just as a production of Death and The Maiden enriches any culture.

I wonder when the Giertych-style book banning in schools will begin. I might have to stop my Joyce module (never, btw).

I haven't seen the play, just the (not.. tremendously good) movie with Sigourney Weaver and Ben Kinglsey directed by that paragon of virtue Roman Polanski.

Anyhoo, sexual degradation (as a metaphor for the societal degredation of totalitarianism) seemed to be one of the themes of the work - so putting the sex on stage in graphic form doesn't come out of nowhere (so to speak) and is a justifiable artistic decision (whether it's ultimately successful or not is of course another question).

You ask me ? TVP has been run by punks that you support, since 8 years. If you gays want to protest against Game of Thrones, feel free to do it.


Perhaps ask jon and other PO supporters, he's a PO guy now.

What is it with some of these cranks and censorship?

Roger, am I correct that Joyce got chased out of Catholic Ireland because he was a trouble maker?.

Catholic Poland does not want pornographers. (Not saying Jjoyce was by the way)

Have you seen it that you can authoritatively say it enriches anything? Wasn't Min. Gliński taken to task for criticisng the play without first having seen or read it? If it really is pornographic it enriches nothing and only promotes disoluteness and depravity. Such producitons should be allowed only as a private commercial ventures for those who enjoy wallowing in filth.

BTW no decent Polish girl wanted to be associated with such an abomiantion so they had to send away for porno-sluts from godless Bohemia.

Have you?


And rightly so. A minister of culture is supposed to have broader horizons than the general public and not be a mirror image of the lowest common denominator.

Yeah, FREEDOM ! (unless we the lefty decide that this, this and that MUST BE BANNED because it is... homophobic/"fascist"/it's "hate speech" and what's not :))))))))))

dolno. No, you are not correct. It's a long and easily accessible story.

Unfortunately, with Pislam it seems to be the rule, not an exception. It was the same with Golgotha Picnic (although it seems this play is better). Either way, it's despicable to have a minister of culture who bans a play without seeing it. It's his JOB to do such things. Petru was right to invite Gliński to see it.


I'm not 98% Catholic. I'm 100% atheist. And I'm an adult. The play wasn't forced on anyone, quite the opposite - you have to pay to see it. Who is harmed by existence of such plays ? Even in such a play turns me on, so what ? Must all art be platonic ? If you think so, stay AWAY from ancient Greek and Peruvian pottery!

Do you know how Catholicism gets such high stats in Poland ? Babies are christened, and written down in Church records. So unless you come from an unusual family you're considered Catholic by default. You're considered Catholic until you go through the official rejection process known as "akt apostazji". During it, you will be treated in a patronizing way and asked what's wrong with you.

Then you have lots of "Catholics" in Poland... in name only. You have many friends who don't go to church simply because they're too lazy, they don't care. They go to church for funerals, weddings etc just to fit in and avoid ostracism. My brother was beaten by classmates in primary school because he refused to go to religion lessons. I regret I wasn't so assertive back then.

To foreigners: Poland has this notion that there are two kinds of Art - High Art and Low Art. Low art is for the unwashed masses, high art is for the noble minds. Everyone should aspire to watch and understand high High Art.

This is in contrast to Sweden, a country where they're happy to see you read romance or pulp fantasy stuff like Conan, as long as you do read. Their reasoning is that less demanding books often serve as a gateway to more difficult ones. And that makes them valuable.

Back to the topic

People like you are so lost at what is the norm and what acceptable and your type is so detached form reality and prone to hysteria, overreaction and going overboard if YOUR views do not take a lead that I'm tempted to say things like - burn all the pseudo- books, in your face you idiot.

When in fact a proper reaction to this kind of pseudo-intellectual hysteria is to treat you like a petulant child you are. You are being naughty Reggie, stop it or you wont get your pudding today.

Minister received info from the theater manager that the play in question involves sexual intercourse on scene hence his recommendation.
I think it is right decision as that theater is financed by the taxpayer money.
Minister has been acting according to the will of his electorate and they expected such a decision form him, it is also his prerogative hence there is noting wrong with that.

Those who think that something or other should be pushing boundaries should also remember they as well as everybody will be soon pushing daisies and there is nothing in sexual matters than can be invented. It was all tried and dropped like a hot coal. Humanity moved forward with Christianity and higher moral values and now some ignoramuses try to push back the clock in the guise of a modern and liberal cloak.

Dudes you are just an old chip of the even older block, there is nothing new under the sun contrary to your delusions.

Amen!

PRL was not prudish! There was often much healthier approach to sex, nudity and human relations than now. Nowadays we took over american way of viewing these matters: oversexualizattion of everything(like naked women advertising coffins) and at the same time prudery and distorted view of human body and sex.

As for banning pornograhy, I am against any kind interference with internet freedoms and don't think it is anybody's business what people do. Having said that, it does have some bad influence especially on young people.

I don't care about the play one way or the other. The minister might have overreacted, but I am not going to defend the crap they are trying to disguise as art nowadays.

What would you say to have only pay to view porn on the net removing all the free stuff. If an adult fancies that sort of thing, let him pay for it. That way minors would not have easy access.

Polonius3 what you are saying is a no brainier, pornography should be adult only, blocks should be in place to protect minors, it could be done worldwide today, but for some reason governments are not doing this, maybe Poland should lead the way.

Wino : "internet freedoms" freedom comes with responsibility

Technically its impossible unless you rip out the Internet and install something like they have in North Korea.

With the Communists back in power, you never know.

And we all know why. Governments are made up of people and every multi-billion-dollar lobby knows whom to visit to get their way. Other than porn, another crippler of people and families is gambling. If governments really were "for the nation" as politicians claim, they would also do something to restrict commercial gaming/betting which drives the growing plague of gambloholism. If they did, however, who would provide the hefty kickbacks?!

But what about the PF's pro-market types? Market economics is not about freebees and handouts but pay as you go. One wonders what their reason is to oppose paid porn on the web?!

pweeg3 "Technically its impossible unless you rip out the Internet" wrong, it was simple for me to block pornography on my groups IT network spanning 10 different countries including China, Dubai, US, and Romania

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Anyone who wants it will get it.

I have no objection the paid porn (and sources say: there's lots of it). But the only way to wipe out free porn is North Korea style censorship and it's not worth it.

Porn is blocked in many middle eastern countries, some do it better than others, my concern is the effect it has on young children and the use of it by some adults to groom youngsters on the web. Porn could be limited to adults only without any censorship of other material on the net.

Lots of other things are blocked there too.

Do you trust Polonius (for example) after he's block porn to not block sites that sew (to his mind) harmful political ideas? If he were in charge of the internet in Poland I could totally see him blocking PO's site and Gazeta Wyborcza and any other media he felt wasn't praising PiS enthusiastically enough.

mafketis I do understand your concerns about censorship,

But do you realize that tens of thousands of IP addresses are blocked by ISP's on a regular basis, mainly to block spam mail and Phishing sites, hooks into the dark web, also addresses that are deemed a risk to national security

I forgot to mention the biggest piece of censorship that has come out in recent years, the EU "Right to be forgotten legislation" , which basically means that if you commit any crime you can ask for any web page or news article relating to your criminality to be removed.

Any evidence to back up that allegation? On the contrary, I would advocate more openness and transparency. No anonymous poison-pen comments or anonymous forums like PF. One gets the impression that some (many?) on PF are hiding behind their nicks and are more interested in mud-slinging than discussing various issues. If everyone was required to, I would not mind listing my full name, postal address/email address, even phone number. Many posters would change their tune so as not to make total fools of themselves and stop pretending to be someone they're not. Also listowners should be conspiscuously presented with country and full contact data.