Poland's political crisis deepens

Yep, although it was a nice Christmas gesture by The Dear Leader Chairman Kaczynski to allow his minions to share his stage.

As I already mentioned. Poland need third political option. Something new. This PiS and previous regime are past.

Crow, you know nothing. Please spare us your words of wisdom.

During rule of your beloved PO, secret services invigilated truckload of people. About 27 out of 1000 had been spied by their own country.
In German 0.2 out of 1000.

invigilate
google.co.uk/search?q=invigilated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=M3xbWKDrEKun8wfh0JSwBg

And there was he, only a week or so before, saying he was just an ordinary back bench MP...

He is an ordinary back bench MP.

I see one can always count on a PF boy idiot to come out with a nonsense and two commie comrades to back him up. Not because they believe it but because there is no lie or low to which they wouldn't stoop just to destroy their ideological opponents. Which practically means any decent, normal human being on the planet.

Please specify whom exactly do you have in mind?

So why was he sitting in the middle of a panel of regime officials with the P Minister shoved off to one side?

Why shouldn't an ordinary back bencher have the right to sit in the middle of a panel of regime officials?
Just asking ...

Governments are led by a Prime Minister. People want to hear what the leader has to say.

She is the person the population elected democratically - she should lead the discussion and not just repeat whatever Kaczynski says.

I have not noticed it but has Morawiecki made any comment on the disgraceful way the state budget was approved - clear illegalities and no debate. Why was he not there at this farcical no questions press conference ?

JAK. is the founder and undisputed leader of Poland's ruling Law and Justice party, moreover he is an elder - why shouldn't he sit in the middle of the panel.

Not quite how it works in Poland though I get your point. She won the election for them in _spite_ of Kaczyński and the second the election was over he tried to shove her into the shadows and has belittled her consistently. He's a sexist little prig, fine with benefitting from a woman's work but not so happy to actually share power with one, even if she's the one who got him the power in the first place.

I don't care who sits where. But I do care that as leader of the government she should lead this response to a serious crisis and also address the issue of why a legal budget has not yet been passed. God knows what goes through her brain when she has to sit through these humiliations.

The weak point of your argument is that Beata Szydło is not a person elected democratically as Prime Minister. It was PiS which was elected democratically by the vote giving them a majority in parliament. Prime Minister Szydło may be easily dismissed from her position as PM by the parliamentary majory whose leader is Jarosław Kaczyński whom some people here refer to only as an "ordinary back bench MP" who he also is, but he is not only such one.

I am surprised that people born in countries having long-established parliamentary systems do not understand such things. Instead they concentrate solely on that fact that the leader of the governing party should automatically become PM and on this they build the base for assumptions that are false.

Her election posters from 2015 described her clearly as PiS candidate for Premier. Its important because that vote was the mandate that PiS thinks gives them carte blanche to do what they want.

Yes I understand her party can topple her and having lived in 3 other democracies I know that can happen. However it is normally extraordinary events that cause that, not one man's whim.

The problem is that JK wants to replace the rule of law with rule by party leader (again, the way things worked in the PRL). Szydło is the titular head of government but she has no real power within the party as JK frequently demonstrates.

Many PiS voters don't care as long as they get their pay offs in the from of 500+ or get to fantasize about revenge against their enemies (roughly - anyone who's more successful than them).


So do I. Duda is another case, I'm sure he has no backbone whatsoever and doesn't mind being told what to do and what to say. Szydło struck me as someone more her own person and it's kind of sad to see her continued degradation (though many PiS voters might enjoy the spectacle of a woman constantly being reminded of her place)

I don`t think so divni pane brate. Where Tusk and previous regime started to destabilize Poland, no matter all opposition by Kaczynski and after he died, new Szydło `s administration continues. No real effort to deal with crucial problem. No annulment of Kosovo recognition and exactly with that recognition started Poland`s internal turmoils and separation of politicians and Polish people. You know that Irone. Exactly with `Serbian question` Polish politicians started to ignore will of most of the Poles.

When did you sow that Polish police beating Polish children? Pro-Serbian demonstrations in Poland after 2008
When did you sow first violent clashes between Poles and police, since communism fall in Poland? Pro-Serbian demonstrations in Poland after 2008
When did you sow that right, central and left political elements unites to protest together? Pro-Serbian demonstrations in Poland after 2008

Don`t get me wrong, Irone. I know that `Serbian question` isn`t primary focus of Polish politics but, its quite well indicator of how Polish politics breathe, because it stimulated primarily patriotic elements and those which purely care for legalism. So, patriots and legalists were alarmed, after they sow retreat of Polish interests in front of foreign.

Not to mention that, even if we disregard Polish sympathy on Serbians for all sorts of reasons, all honest people in Poland, due to deep moral reasons which awakening deepest emotions, really can`t accept obscene Poland`s official involvement in partition of Serbia. See, wrong isn`t right just because it suits to NATO or EU.

Yes, yes. We need new, third political option in Poland.

The problem is that PO and KOD are traitors and should be locked away for treason.


Ah an expert. so tell us Mr expert how things worked in the PRL.


Sure, are you calling yourself an American? Voters had they say and the results of the legal election should be expected. Shame on you for talking like a damn soviet!

Opposition have no popular support among the populace in Poland. They're far and between of those who are willing to go to the streets. They have some processional rioters who already committed few offences against the law (assault) and hopefully they'll be persecuted.

Add to dictionary behaviours of some parliament members should be punished by withholding their pay! Why the taxpayers money should be used on that scum and their treasonous antics?


Isn't that not obvious?don't play dumb Z.

There is not option that would first and foremost and immediately demand Kosovo to be given back to Serbia. Nor there is option that would demand to withdraw from NATO.

Polish problem are internal. There two camps - Poles and polishspeoaking Soviets (traitors), until that conflict is solved all foreign affairs are secondary issues.

Marko Skawiński back in 2013, interview on Polish TV, explains why is necessary for Poland to support Serbians. Official Poland never listened these arguments, ignored will of Polish majority, betrayed national interests of Poland, obeyed to foreigners,... and why should today`s situation in Poland surprise us? Really, why? Why when ruling Polish politicians step by step destroys very legal and moral reasons for defense of Poland itself?

Demonstracja w Warszawie - "Kosowo jest serbskie!"

But `Serbian question` represent natural indicator of situation in Poland`s politics. For example.... how would Poland defend its sovereignty in Silesia when recognizes separation of Kosovo from Serbia? How would Poland prevent eventual attempt for new partition of Poland if takes part in partition of Serbia? How could Poland claim its own honesty in international relations if betray Serbians who are historically loyal to Poland? How is even possible that Poland taking part in formation of narco-Muslim mafia Greater Albania on Serbian Christian, Slavic ground?


but its crucial question which define stance of Poland on its own interests. Its far bigger then just `Serbs`. Spot how Marko Skawiński speaks. Ruling Polish politicians of previous and this new administration destroying Poland. I am so sorry if you aren`t able to see this.

Speaking purely for myself as an interested, but unaffected, foreigner, there is usually a tradition in long established parliamentary systems that couples power with responsibility.

A succinct summary from more than a hundred years ago:


So, the fact that the person making all the big decisions in Poland today doesn't actually hold one of the positions listed in the Constitution as constitutionally accountable strikes me as, well, rather less than ideal.

It gets worse:


It's very possible they'll not only lose UNESCO World Heritage status, but also have problems getting it for any other sites in the future. And of course it's the usual PiS behaviour:


The sooner they're gone the better.

theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/23/worst-nightmare-europes-last-primeval-forest-brink-collapse-logging

Of course that political crisis deepens in Poland. Leadership can`t successfully distance itself from EU, NATO is blindly followed, government is by EU forced to cooperate with radical Muslim Shquiptar narco terrorists while disrespect sovereign Serbia, Tusk as main traitor is out of reach of justice, Duda fails to move Poland in direction of Intermarum as promised, Poland didn`t properly support Hungary and isolating itself from other Visegrad Group members, Poland failed to support ethnic Poles in Ukraine. That for starter.

That isn't connected to Jaroslaw Kaczynski's cousin being appointed head of the state forests, nor the current illegal destruction of a UNESCO world heritage site.

And now, the Swiss Franc scandal rears its head again, still not sorted despite promises and rhetoric from the PiS junta. The way this turns out has consequences for a huge number of people.



bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-23/understanding-poland-s-quiet-retreat-from-costly-swiss-loan-fix

To put cross on myself, I don`t see connection.


Oh, no, no. PiS isn`t junta. They just don`t deflect enough from EU. See, its not easy and their attempts are clumsy. But, if they open Poland more to Hungarian and Serbian influences wonders may happen.