Have PO (Platforma) operatives in Poland fallen into a panic?

A free dinner! Explains the sort of naive and mercenary people who say they support the PiSuarzy...

Yes, who has time to bother with their polls.

Kukiz is predictably falling away, which is good news. Better the devil you know (PiS) than some lunatic like Kukiz who appears to have lifted his entire platform from Ruch Narodowy.

To early to celerbate... Latest survey shows Kukiz* with 19% support. It' gonna fluctuate.

Onomastically speaking, the Kukiz surname was dervied from the verb kukać (describing the sound made by the kukułka /cuckoo/).

19% support! It corresponds do the 20% who have voted for him.

I really don't understand that even 19% of voters believe in him....

Kukiz may not be a greta cathc, but hsi supprot is indicatoive of growing disnechantment with the pwoers that be. It is in the anti-ACTA and Occupy Wall Street convention. Maybe nothing will come of it but the PO agreeing tosa referendum (after quashing all earlier attemtps) shows that this backlash does worry the "sytem".

Polonius, have PiS made any declaration as to whether they're for or against JOW?

I wonder if Kukiz will survive a concentrated attack by both pro-government and pro-opposition media, though.

oh dear jon, euronews doesn't seem to take seriously the idea that the 10 point lead can be laughed off as just oldies who dont matter doing a survey on their landlines

All the mercenaries support PO, the most materialistic, mercantile and corrupt grouping on the Polish stage. Their backers are now trembling in fear that their cosy nests will soon be disrupted and their machinations exposed and punished.


Kukiz's support is down again, but PiS has increased its lead over PO. The latest TNS Polska poll shows:
PiS 37%, PO 23% and Kukiz 14%. No other grouping cleared the 5% threshold.

natemat.pl/148909,tns-polska-prawo-i-sprawiedliwosc-wciaz-najsilniejsze-az-37-proc-uprawnionych-chce-na-nich-glosowac

Actually, it's nothing new in Polish polling methodology. PiS always do very well over the summer because the typical PO voter is off to the beach, while the PiS voter is at home cooking potatoes. It was the same thing in 2007 - PiS were actually doing well over the summer, then got hammered in the election.


Not really. PiS won't be able to govern alone, and they will fall to pieces quickly if they're relying on Kukiz.

Works for me. PO can just sit back and watch the next government implode like the last one.

By the way, when you talk about punishment, can we assume that PiS will also punish Adam Hoffman severely?

@Polonius: so polls have been constant for several weeks! Are polls in Poland generally reliable? They were accurate from after the 1 round on the presidential election onwards but for months they claimed that Komorowski would make it in the 1st round.

Atlhough 98% of the people I hang around with are PO's supporters, I personally believe that PiS shall make it. Duda was elected in late May so it is logical that voters continue voting for his party in an election held 3 or 4 months later. This seems logical to me and the way it is in all democratic countries. If the parliamentary election was held let's say in one year, PO could win since PiS would have time to make mistakes but as I said, as per logic, PiS is to win in October.

The mystery to me remains re Kukiz. Is he first of all going to be able to gather enough people to put on his lists? According to what I've read, he needs some 4,600 (= 10 per each seat, are there 460 seats in Sejm?)

If only 3 parties in Parliament including a jerk (Kukiz ;)), this is bad for democracy.

Well, we'll see but whether PiS or PO wins, my life shall not change ;)

The question is how Duda behaves between August and October. If he walks into the Presidential Palace and immediately starts referring to The Martyrs of Smoleńsk and other such stupid crap - then PO will punish PiS at the polls. As it stands, it looks like PiS might win the election but then be faced with a very difficult decision, as going into coalition with the unpredictable and arrogant Kukiz would cause them significant problems.


The latest information I have is that Kukiz is attracting a lot of right wing nutjobs that you wouldn't want anywhere near your own list.

You mean arrogant fools, snobs, yuppies, crass materialists and egoists who support the crook and scam Platfusy for a bigger slice of the pie. Now you know why such types are in jitters at the very thought of getting locked out (the way they locked others out over the years) and pushed away from the trough.

@Polonius: some are like you say but a lot are not ;)

@Delph: Kukiz is according to what I have heard, trying to gather anybody and the contrary to make up lists so he won't last long. True that if Duda screws up till the election, PO shall win. If election was held let's say in a year, it would be easier for PO.

I have read in GW that SLD and TR have decided to unite

rp.pl/artykul/738670,1216548-SLD-do-wyborow-pojdzie-razem-z-Palikotem.html


From both parties' standpoint probably a wise move (although personally I hope the ex-commies and Palikot's dingbats fail). As a coalition they would have to win 8% or not get into parliament. If SLD includes TR nutters on their ballot, they only need 5%. That they may get under the wire, but 8% is quite unlikely. The left have tried various ruses over the years such as Lewica i Demokraci but failed.


Is Andrzej Duda the Polish James Bond?

"Nazywam się Duda. Andrzej Duda!" No, he hasn't pulled that one yet - that's how Beata Szydło introduced herself at the PiS convention. But one website did compare Duda to Bond:

"Both gents are handsome, but as far as comparisons are concerned Andrzej Duda is a great cyclist and skier. He gave first aid to a mate who had broken his leg and in general is a versatile guy. In addition he is nice, plesasant, ("sympatyczny" - hard as hell to translate into English) and well-educated. In fact he's probaly got more trump cards than the film's main character," Marek Suski of PiS told Superstacja. "Reflex and reflectiveness are extremely important in politics. It is necessary to quickly reflect and react. Both James Bond and Andzej Duda have what it takes," commented Andrzej Romanek of Solidary Poland.

dzikikraj.interia.pl/mowatrawa/news-andrzej-duda-to-polski-james-bond,nId,1857824

Merged: PO scammers your time is running out!

niewygodne.info.pl/artykul5/02227-Zlodziejskie-praktyki-wladzy-ktore-niszcza-nasz-potencjal.htm

For 26 years of the III RP thieving cliques has been stealing out country blind, because they could do so without facing any punishment. The reds in PRL, an entire host of secret-police types, scam artists and in recent years PO members - all of them have regarded Poland and Polish taxpayers as a sucker cow that can be milked to no end. It's time to say "stop!" Soon the Platform will lose their parliamentary majority, and then the penal code can be beefed up to drastically punish thieves of public assets and scam-mongers.

You really should just establish your own blog for this kind of crap.

Actually no - what PIS will do is generally harass small business with endless audits, and bring into law (or back) such brilliant and far-reaching social schemes as banning beer on trains and my favourite ferry.

Also they will arse-lick the coal "industry", or what is (rightly) left of it.

Poland with PIS would be puritanical to a fault if they are given an extended go at it.

But of course! PiS will specialise in things that make absolutely no difference to our lives, while actually hurting the "common man" in the process. Increasing VAT receipts while closing shops on Sundays is my favourite :D

Typically egoist-elitist "look-down-on-my-fellowman" approach. Everyone, even the supermarket cashiers who have to wear pampers because theey're not allowed to leave their post, have a right to spend Sunday with their families. The snooty elitist swine are only concerned about their own selfish convenience, as if they couldn't stock up on Saturday. That's the kind of people who vote for the hang-onto-the-trough-for-dear-life Platformers!

No, rather a typical "let people earn if they want to earn" approach. Many students have full timetables Monday-Friday and the weekend is the only time that they can earn money. Same with other people.


Everyone? Police officers, zookeepers, firemen, pharmacists, doctors, public transport drivers - what about them?

You mean like those people who bought property in Warsaw at a knock-down rate using their connections from back when they were useful to the regime?


Hotel staff, restaurant staff, teachers, priests, the list is endless.

@Delph: for students of course great but as to married people on top of that with kids, they would probably prefer to be with their families.

I am schoked at the number of Poles whose family distration on week-ends is to go to ... Carrefour ;).

@Harry; there are occupations that are needed 24/7 (police, medical staff, transportation...) but they do not include cashiers and shelf stockers of Biedronka, Carrefour or Auchan...

Basically, if CHOICE ok but not ok if no choice (or if salaries are so low that people HAVE to work all the time).

@Harry; in Poland there are plenty of liquor strores opened 24/7, sometimes there are even 2 or 3 of them next to each other ;). Tesco is also opened 24/7. The question is: is it necessary? Who needs buy booze and food 24/7?

Yes, some occupations are needed 24.7 but they are not so many

hmm there are 3 or perhaps 4 examples of 24 hours a day monopol shops and also solely booze selling outfits 10 or 15 mins walk from my home, pulling in bunches of dirty vagrant drunks that earlier in the day turn noses up at Biedronka's offer. Also of course local yobs and various alcoholics can be seen outside in the early hours and later, obviously no nuisance to surrounding neighbours at all because its the sort of shop every resident hopes to see open at the top of their street

There are none in my neighborhood but since I travel around Warsaw every day I quite often see the situation, for instance in Praga and Wola. I don't know the name of the street (I was on the tram and did not look) but recently I saw 3 of such shops next to each other (I wonder how they can make a living ;)) in Praga. For instance, how many of those joints around Wiatraczna Rondo (they all all opened 24/7 - according to what they advertize because personally I don't know ;). In other Polish towns, it's the same...

Who are you to tell people what they can and can't do with their free time?


Personally I favour automatically higher wages for working on Saturdays and Sundays.


One would imagine that it's because they provide people with a service people want, rather than trying to people what is good for them.

I think it's worth giving people the choice - if you look at supermarkets at the weekend, it's usually young people anyway working there. Or in the case of some shops (hello, Carrefour) - it's the unemployable.

As for those 24 hour booze shops - it does seem to be a particularly Polish thing to hang around shops drinking. You can see them in the UK doing the same thing, too.

I always think it comes down to this - can the country afford to lose the VAT receipts? No, not really. The Hungarian example showed that there was quite a significant loss in VAT receipts after they banned Sunday shopping - so we absolutely should not follow. When we're as rich as France or Germany, then we can ;)

@Harry: No, I'm not tell people what to do but seriously aren't there better things for a family to do than to spend their weekends pushing carts at Carrefour (I know some who do)? What about taking kids to the movies, to museums, to art exhititions, to proper restaurants, to sports events and when weather is nice to parks, to the zoo, to swimming pool and the like? I happen to shop alot on weekends (for a lot of reasons) and I understand that kids would prefer be elsewhere. Yesterday I had to go to Castorama and as early as 9, they were whole families with screaming kids. I am sure kids would have peferred be elsewhere than at Castorama ;). You may say, they went to Castorama for a couple of hours, probablly but there are famililes (I know some) who can spend whole day with their kids in such shops ;).

@Delph: Yes, it must be freedom
Back to the topic please

>Or in the case of some shops (hello, Carrefour) - it's the unemployable.
:D lol!

on the other hand, some report in a newspaper today says more people are reclaiming what they pawned, so po must have improved things for some, which makes me wonder why pis is up in the polls. is it a conspiracy to make pis voters complacent come october and so to not turn out to vote? ;)

Bingo.

If people want to shop on a Sunday, and shops want to open, why not? When the PiS flappers forced shops to close on public holidays, it was the shop workers who lost out, and the petrol station owners who cashed in.


That isn't generally considered a barometer of political performance. It may however reflect falling consumer prices - another Platforma success.


The Citizens' Platform has improved things rather well. They've certainly achieved more than those nutjobs in PiS did - the odium under which they were dumped from office was spectacular. They are however quietly successful; a government of technicians rather than gobby and headline grabbing politicians. They could well be a victim of their own success, however if providing they follow past form, one or two of the ringleaders of the PiSuarzy will open their mouths wide enough to put at least one of their feet in before the election.

The elitist social "racism" and stereotyping of your ilk shows through at very turn of the way. The look-down-on-the-underprivileged approach is typical of most Platformer scum!

erm large screen tv set prices have fallen everywhere jon, tbh am yet to see what actual grocery consumer prices have fallen, my grocery shopping spend would be considerably up if not for gbp v zl strength and local supermarket price wars on selected items from time to time