Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

They don't come any more clueless than the current one. She has diluted the curriculum in order to downdumb school children rather than giving them a solid portion of Polish history and heritage the way her predecessor did.

Oh dear Polonius. You do realise that the previous one messed with the curriculum for ideological reasons rather than educational reasons?

History and heritage doesn't provide employment, nor does it provide children with much educationally.

Spot on. The previous one was interested only in indoctrinating kids to a particularly reactionary point of view.

Poles are not Scots, and not everything is about dollars and cents. An understanding and appreciation of one's history and cultrual heritage makes for a fuller person with a deeper sense of self-worth. On that basis practical knowledge can be built. If utilitarian skills are dumped into a spiritual and cultural vacuum you create only an earning and spending machine -- not a well-rounded human being.

I don't think Europe is a cultural vacuum at all - Poland certainly isn't. 'Spiritual' is neither here nor there.


Stereotyping again?

Trying to present a romantic view of things is all fine and well, but the vast majority of people - yes - including PiS supporters know that what Giertych did was rubbish. There's a reason why Jaroslaw Kaczynski attempted to outmanoeuvre him - not least because he was a liability.


And who intends to pay for that, or at the expense of what? Perhaps it would be better to focus on the fact that Giertych completely failed to do anything about the problem of post-WW2 education in history classes?


And what need is there to expand a programme that already takes up 12 years of study?

You also completely fail to realise that history is a subject that should not be manipulated according to the viewpoint of any one individual.

Please explain. Nie rozumiem.

With pleasure.

The problem is that history is taught "from the beginning". So - for most people alive today, the most relevant part of history probably concerns the 1945 to 1997 period in Poland - you have quite a lot of major events in that time, ending with the 3rd Republic being a stable country.

But it is almost completely ignored due to the lack of time at the end of the course. So - as a result - children leave school without knowing anything about what happened only a short while ago. I'm not asking for ideological based teaching, rather that more time should be dedicated to that part of history. Certain events (the rigged 3xTAK referendum, Poznan 1956, the Wujek coal mine, etc etc) simply don't get any attention as a result.

It's sad, and is caused by a far too heavy emphasis on vague history from hundreds of years ago rather than an emphasis on what kids can relate to.

I never read any Giertych-approved history books, but knowing his general pro-Polish, pro-patritoic and anti-communist orientation I only assumed the crimes of post-war communism would figure prominently in history classes.

Do please stop using the word patriot to describe the loony right. Polish Neo-Nazis are not patriots, no matter how many times certain people claim they are.

In your opinion.


However your opinion is obviously biased.

If they were patriots, they would do patriotic things. Unfortunately, they tend to not do anything to support Poland.


Not really. Even Polish voters heavily rejected the party that represented their interests.

Actually here I have to disagree with you. History lessons are important, people should know their past. I know I am biased, because I studied history at university :).

But what students do not need at all, is a PIS ideologically translated version of their history - which obviously would be full of distortions, not to tell plain lies.

Last time I checked, Giertych-The NeoNazi, is Tusk son's lawyer, and recently was marching along with President Komorowski. Has PO gone Neo-Nazi, Harry? Appears so.

They tried it and they failed.

No, they need a KOR-ite version of history which by its very nature would contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, innit? Its heroes would be Jaruzelski, Kiszczak, the KPP, St Jacek Kuroń, who destroyed the Polish scouting movement, and a number of other politically or otherwise 'correct' characters.

Merged: PiS retains lead in latest poll

PiS continues its lead over PO in the latest survey 30.4 to 24.7. SLD - 14.4, PSL - 5.1, Palikot 4.9.

Looks as though PiS are doomed to win the next election and PO to fall by the wayside. And it's high time. The survey results clearly show the Polish nation wants a change. Jarek, get your broom ready to sweep away all the crud!

Very unlikely at this stage.

Didn't you cry victory lately because the duckists had in an opinion poll 40%?
It seems the first batch of Polska A is returning from holidays.

Exactly - so in fact the thread title is another in a long string of lies. He evidently thinks nobody notices,

People do notice, just as certain inconsistencies from the past can't be brushed under the carpet easily.

40% was the highest scored to date. This time it was simply stated that 'PiS retains lead' which is absolutely ture. It did not say 40% lead, but as usual you tried some backhanded why insult and discredit the messenger. Poll results will fluctuate. There may even be a case or two where PO actually pulls ahead by a small margin, but the proof of the pudding is in the voting. A landslide victory for PiS et consortes appears very much in the offing. Re cheap and tacky insults of the 'duckist' variety, what about calling the president a Chamberpotist? A komora is a chamber after all.

Very true. The polls so far suggest that even if PiS win, they have no chance of forming a coalition. Their only viable coalition partners, Solidarna Polska are failing spectacularly - and with it, the chances of PiS forming a coalition with anyone.


Not really. A landslide would mean winning by a large amount - most polls are showing a 6% lead for PiS. That's anything but a landslide, and worse still, the results show that the 'lost' PO vote is going straight to the SLD.

It is interesting how many Communist collaborationist scum now support PiS, isn't it?

You overlook a highly probably scenario: either Gowin takes the conservative faction out of PO and form his own party which will enter a coalition iwth PiS or will merge with PiS outright.

So you mean that despite all the problems that the government has been having, DuckBoy has only managed to increase his party's support by 0.5%. Oops.


You don't seriously think that Polo is able to keep track of all the lies he tells, do you?!


Some people have no morals (and shout very loudly about the imagined failings of other people to distract from that fact, just as they rant about other people's imagined collaboration with the commies to distract people from their own collaboration).

That won't happen. Gowin is no fool - he knows that should he put up a good fight against Tusk but lose, his Krakow support base will make sure that he runs for the city Presidency next year. He's not going to risk forming a splinter party when he knows that previous ones (PJN, Solidarna Polska, etc) all lost considerably in the next election. Then you're also forgetting that Gowin's free market ideals clash with Kaczynski heavily - Gowin has problems with the social democratic wing of PO, he's not going to get on with a party backed heavily by trade unionists, is he?

It's also worth pointing out that while Gowin has a strong regional support in Krakow, he doesn't have much support in other PO heartlands such as Szczecin and Poznan.

Amnesia? We've been though this all before. The Poland B, populist, rural, socially conservative and pro-clerical PSL is an unlikely a bedfellow for any centrist, socially linberal, pro-market party as they come, and yet....

Either you don't know how politics functions or you're playing the fool the have something to say and keep the thread going..

Why do you keep on lying about the PSL?
The simple fact is that PSL were asked to join a government that was very clearly from the outset going to be socially conservative, pro-Catholic and pro-family ideologically and economically populist, i.e. the government of the Ducks: they wanted no part of it.

So PSL is now socially liberal, anti-populist,pro-urban and anti-clerical. Interesting. Can you get a Piechociński or Pawlak quote to back this up? That must have been a fairly recent about-turn because they voted against all the PO's libertine proposals earlier this year.

Why do you keep lying about the PSL?!

The truth is that they are fairly middle of the road when it comes to liberalism (with perhaps a slight lean towards liberalism), neither popularist nor anti-popularist, not really pro-urban or pro-rural (their power bases tend to be medium sized towns in more wealthy regions). They are also neither particularly pro or anti-clerical; or to put it more accurately, their voters do tend to lean towards the church but the kind of church of the Poland of old, the kind of church that stays in the background when it comes to politics, most certainly not the fake church as represented by Father Maybach and the rest of that scum.

Be all that as it may, the fact is that the Fourth Republic will rise again. Crooked polticians, shady business and behind-the-scenes ex-commie special services will be swept away with Jarek's mighty broom. Co daj Boże!

Lying yet again Polo: are you trying to set some sort of PF record for most lies in one day?
The Fourth Republic cannot "rise again": it has never risen once. But please do feel free to keep whining about living in the European Union and the Third Republic: the rest of us are very happy here; you are always welcome to make use of your passport by leaving both and going home.