Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

The National Election Committee statement finally announced, we know everything. Nothing changed compared with the polls. PSL gets to the Sejm, Korwin doesn't. Which means that PiS will be able to rule alone.

We still don't know the number of seats though, do we?

Tomorrow, it gets announced apparently.

PiS were forecast 37.7% and 232 seats, so they've dropped to just under 37.6%. It'll be fascinating to see if they actually pull off a majority or not.

Yes, tomorrow afternoon. But I think it's about the specific parliament members who will take specific places. The number of seats for each party depends, I think, directly on the number of votes in general.

Still crying?


Check the tax system changes they have.

Official results were annoucned late on Monday:
PiS - 5 711 687 głosów (37,58 proc.)
PO - 3 661 474 głosów (24,09 proc.)
Kukiz'15 - 1 339 094 głosów (8,81 proc.)
Nowoczesna 1 155 370 głosów (7,60 proc.)
PSL - 779 975 głosów (5,13 proc.)
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Zjednoczona Lewica - 1 147 102 głosów (7,55 proc.)
KORWiN - 722 999 głosów (4,76 proc.)

I'm not surprised PiS won. Szydło had been gaining strength now for months.

Shame on you, behaving like a self righteous prissy missy. This is EXACTLY the attitude that so many in Poland complained about. Seriously shame on you!

The victory of PiS is, mainly, a result of the PO rule. I cannot say the PO were bad in everything. The country is developing. They built really a lot of road infrastructure (even though it was inaugurated when PiS was ruling, still a lot of this has been prepared and built by PO). But the cost was too high. First increasing the VAT tax. Then raising the retirement age. Stealing people's savings from the open pension funds and moving them to the state one (ZUS). Now this recordings scandal. Their time is out.

And I don't like that PiS is going to rule now, but really, PO couldn't do it any more. The only reason why PiS has won is, I think, that for the people who are not really into politics, PO and PiS are virtually the only parties they know something about. When someone wanted to vote just against PO, against the currently ruling party, the "natural" choice was to vote for their "main opponent" (promoted by the media), so for PiS.

I am really interested in how the rule of PiS will look like. They cannot be too radical, because otherwise they will fail in the next elections, in 4 years. They also cannot be much less effective then PO in terms of the country developement, it will also not pass unnoticed. I think there is more people in PiS than in PO, who are there because of family or acquaitances. Therefore, there is, definitely, not so many people there, who really know what to do. But maybe they will deal with it. We will see. I don't except a big change in the politics. Maybe it will get better than under PO? They have four years to show it to us.

And a really interesting thing is what will happen in the four years time. There are some newly emerged political forces. We have Kukiz, which is more like a people's movement than like a party. And they got really a lot of votes in these elections. There wasn't such a thing in the parliament until now. Maybe they will be more active as the opposition than the other, "old" opposition parties (regardless of whether it was, for a short time, PO, or, for 8 years, PiS), which weren't really controlling what the ruling parties did; they just tended to oppose any possible ideas of the ruling side and that was all. There is Korwin, which is an old politician, but he recently started to gather a lot of electorate among the young people. But in case of him, the problem is that he is too radical. He may be getting something over 5% (the threshold of joining the Sejm) in the future, but not much more. And he is hopeless in terms of public speeches. I mean, he is talking in such a way, using such metaphores, when he tries to convince someone to something, that he really gets understood by normal people, but the other politicians are just having fun of him. And there is this small, just emerging, left-side "Razem" ("Together") party, which seems to be also something like a people's movement (although it's officially a party, on the contrary to Kukiz) and may gain popularity throughout the time. A lot may happen within the next few years. People are starting to see that the most known parties are, in fact, just big groups of acquaintances, who are in fact doing everything for their own profit, not for the country. And, what is more important, they are starting to discover that it is possible to change that.

Far from it. It's just like watching a car crash from afar.

One mitigating factor in the PiS thing is that they're so disorganised and lacking in concrete ideology that they can't actually do that much damage. Yes it will be bad for businesses, however the EU aim protections against the effects of weak governments.

Kpc21's analysis is a good one, and yes, Razem is something to watch...

@Kpc: Yes, good analysis! :)

@Jon: Yes, Razem is to gain popularity thanks mainly to their charismatic leader Adrian Zandberg (who, for the gossip, used "to be with" B. Nowacka when they were younger ;)).

In a country that had its people enslaved by socialism during more than half a century, people LEARNED how evil Socialism is.

Razem is Born-dead and your forecast will be, again, wrongly.

By the way, it is really funny how EVERY political bet that you, jon, and harry do goes totally in the opposite way (Like when Harry said that Komorowski would win against Duda, or when you and Jon said that PiS would not have the majority at last elections hahaha).

So thinking at that way, it is even better that you guys think that the communists of Razem have any chance. More evidence that they will not even exist at next elections :)

Just watching Brudziński on tvn24 doing a singularly unconvincing job of dispelling rumors that Szydło will be pushed aside. Anyone who knows politics would assume from listening to her that the decision has already been made....

True to PiS form he's managing to make it sound like PiS are an endangered minority threatened by ominous forces......


to him, sorry for misgendering you Panie Joachimie!

The name is Szydło. Beata Szydło.

@Levi: like I always said, you don't live in Poland and don't know anything about Polish (and other countries) politics. Yes, Razem is to play a bigger role thanks to their leader and Polish youth being fed up of garbage contracts and to have to emigrate for bread. Less than 2 years ago, nobody (including me) would have thought of Siriza running Greece and winning all élections there and of Podemos ruling now Barcelona and Madrid and about to win December general élections in Spain. I even expect a wider left-wing party around Zarendberg, Nowacka and others...

To conclude: Levi, you don't know anything re Polish politics...

@Levi: OF COURSE you don't know anything re Razem but you comment upon things you don't know anything about (normal, for you).

Now have a great day with your Muslim friends although you pretend to hate them (on the net)! ;) Hypocrit!

It is funny. You say that i know nothing about Polish Politics, but it was you that was wrong at ALL forecasts that you made at the last 2 elections (Like when you said that PiS would not have a majority :))))) )


66% of the youth voted for PiS! The party that YOU said was for old illiterate people.

The youth of Poland IS NOT left-wing like the youth from your country!

That is why all your political bets are wrong: You don't see reality, just your wishful thinking.


Podemos is gonna lose. Badly.

Want to bet about that? Bet about politics with you, Jon and Harry is almost 101% chance of win :)


All my political bets were right.

All your political bets were wrong.

A lot of commentators are saying this and it would be true to JK's past form.

Levi: 1. where have I said that PiS would not win???? On the contrary, I said they would in at least hundreds of messages. Since you have a lot of time; do search ;). 2. if you knew something re Razem, you would know that they don't want pre 1989 Poland but of course in simple minds as yours, things are just black or white ;). 3. As to Podemos, yes, they run Madrid and Barcelona, among other things and if no majority in December, they'll are very big in Spain (I have a lot of close relatives living there, as I have also some Spanish blood) and will be even bigger whether you like it or not.

4. and end: have you read PiS's economic program? I suppose you have not otherwise you would know that it's a "socialist" program ;). PiS are said to be on the "right" because of their positions re societal matters but in economics they are "left" ;););).

Have a great day with your Muslim friends with whom you hypocrit make money! ;)

(am about to leave for work so do talk to yourself now! :))

Already, they're discussing how to force people into paying the TV licence (through PIT, through the electricity bill). So that's 200zl a year extra taxes already - and we're only two days in!

LOL ! Tusk was the best, he told people not to pay it and after that send gov's institutions to fine them heavily for... not paying it :))))))))))

Do you recall it was that idiot Tusk who said on TV "Who pays the TV tax anyway?!" And a multitude stopped paying it. No matter how one slices it, he was extolling criminal activity -- tax evasion. Only blinkered PO diehards would speak disparagingly of tax enforcement. If the Platformers had come up with the idea, they and their GW guru would be gushing and enthusing in ecstasy.

Looking at those frustrated lemmings trying to demonize PiS is a true comedy :-)


Indeed, you can't blame him for running away from Poland.

I confirm this. I myself stopped paying and a lot of my friends did. When I asked them why they didn't pay, they said: Because Donald told us not to pay. And I also told them: I don't pay because Donald urged me not to pay ...

Oh dear, how wrong I was! Later on, when Donald got into power, he forgot about what he said before 2007. I eventually got the message from the post office saying I must pay, plus adding a penalty payment over my 3-year long overdue payments amounting to about 800 zloties. And that was about a year ago, at a time when no one ever imagined that the day came when Jarosław the Great would take it all ...

So, I suffered a great deal in the yoke of PO and it is not at all true what the PF's Harryesque hypocrites now say about PiS:

Interesting. I wonder how they are going to organise exemptions for those of us who have neither a television nor a radio which are covered by the licensing requirement. One does hope that PIS remember about Protocol 1 of Art.1 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

As you know they made a solution for that quite well in the UK in the TV licence :-) anyhow only idiots pay TV licence.

how v true.
Just one thing, never never give them your name!

I once told TV licence goon my name is Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz :-) he asked me how to spell it and I said I don't know just write it as you hear it, it was a f*****g comedy :-))))))

love it..:):):):)

Yes, the problem is that PIS seem to want to fund their new PIS-TV (formerly known as TVP) from a charge which is automatically added to PIT or the electricity bill but they don't understand that they can't force people to pay for something which they do not receive. If they just scrap the TV licence and fund what was once TVP from the public purse, that is fine; however, if they impose a specific levy for possession of TV and/or radio on those who have neither, they will run into legal problems.

First of all, young people don't remember this. Even among older people there is a lot of those, who preferred that system to the current one. There was, officialy, job for everyone (another thing is that it just had to fail due to the economics). The government took care of a lot of issues that people have to organize now by themselves. For example, the companies (maybe it's not a proper word while talking about a system without a free market, but I have no idea how to translate Polish "zakład" into English) were organizing holidays for the children of the employees. You had to wait, sometimes a few years, for it - but everyone could get an apartment. If someone wanted to build a house, it was possible to get a loan with a very low interest rate. I don't say it was good - but a lot of people is considering it as good, due to all the social stuff which was then available.

The socialism wasn't a problem, the problem was that we weren't an idependent country. The Soviet Union was in fact ruling Poland, they were forcing us to keep an economical system which was deemed to fail. The lack of the freedom of speech, the censorship, persecution of everyone who was against the current system, also wasn't caused by the socialism, but by the politics of the Soviet Union which we just had to realise, otherwise they would enter Poland with their army. As they - as Russia - did now with Ukraine, or in 1968 with Czech-Slovakia.

for people like Levi, life is very simple, it's either white or black and there is nothing in between ;). No party in Poland wants a system like what existed before 1989. I have personally dealt with several high level politicians in Poland (with some of whom I'm even on "ty" terms) through work and even those socalled "left" (for instance SLD) do not want pre 1989 system. But of course, too hard to understand by simple minds like levi's ;).