Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

do you know the percantage of Poles who are proficient in English in the UK - I was there and met a few Poles

Zandberg has been really kept out of the media in favor of Kukiz.....

HAve you actually seen anything he said in the debate rebroadcast? I haven't. Kukiz? Yeah, Korwin-Mikke? Yeah. Zandberg? Big ole nic.

@Zie: I agree with you. E. Kopacz seems completely lost and tries to save some furniture like she would in her flat in fire. Medias are very interested in A. Zandberg who did very well on Tuesday. Of course Razem woN'T rule Poland but they could play a role in Polish politics. A bit more than a year ago, nobody would have thought that Siriza and Tsipras would rule Greece and Podomos have been very successfull in Spain (they rule Madrid and Barcelona) and likely to win Parliamentary election in Dec 2015 so why not Razem in Poland? I remember A. Grodzka saying that she meant to build a Polish Siriza movement but because of who A. Grodzka is, if a Siriza like party is to be, people would prefer A. Zandberg, a charismatic and intelligent CLEAN CUT boy. He has a PhD in history, teaches (or taught) at the university, looks like a good boy.... So he's binational! I thought weird to immigrate from Denmark to Poland especially at the time but if his mother is from Poland, it makes sense to me. This morning, Razem was offering coffee (just like Duda did in May) at Centrum Metro Station in Warsaw. Razem are using the "garbage contract" issue and this could appeal to the youth. However I don't think the youth to vote for Razem is the same youth to vote for Kukiz ;).

Let's see what happens on Sunday night!

Petru was shown on TV offering white and black coffee and biscuits to passers-by. Reminds me of a 1970s world's fair or other exhibition in Paris when Poland was under Gierek. In line with Gierek's "propaganda of success" (Poland was touted as the world's 10th largest power!), Polish television news reported that the largest crowds of fairgoers were milling about the Polish pavilion. What the news reader did not mention was that it was the only pavilion offering free nips of ice-cold Wyborowa and hors d'oeuvres.

Both of them have performed pretty terribly in this campaign, to be honest.

Merged: The Polish nanny state?

ZL, PiS, PO, PSL and presumably Razem advocate various forms of the nanny state with their social-welfare programmes and interference in the lives of private citizens, whilst Korwin and Petru favour a more liberal eocnomic approach. Korwin takes it to the extreme opposing even income taxes, state healthcare and car seat-belt requirements.

Do you believe the nanny or non-nanny approach better fits the mentality of a given nation?
Which in your view would be best for Poland?

First things first - Polonius, could you post more things like this and less of the abusive nonsense? It's a really nice topic, and you haven't shown bias towards any one party.

Anyway...


The nanny state is clearly what Poles prefer. There hasn't been one genuinely right wing economically government in the III RP, and the polls are all showing that the people want control over their lives.

I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing, only that when the two biggest parties control at least 60% of the vote and they both stand for nanny, then there must be something in it.

A curious question will be that if PiS gets elected, how much nanny stuff will PiS actually roll back? I can't imagine them changing the law on school food, for instance.

Polish people want structure and predictability (in a world that's too rapidly losing both).


None, though they may cancel a program or two and reinstate it under a different name.

Here are the prefernce resutls collected by different pollsters:
polska.newsweek.pl/zandberg-napiera-lewica-slabnie-a-pis-wygrywa-w-cuglach,artykuly,372786,1.html

I was at Centrum Metro Station tonight at 6 and Razem were still there offering coffee. As they were there this morning, I expect them to be at Metro Station all day today and amazingly they were the only party to be there. Those knowing Warsaw know that the area in front of Centrum Metro Station is a great place to meet the population/voters. I'm wondering why others parties did not come. In May, that's where Duda offered coffee.

Since PO did a lousy campaign in May and now a lot say that they have done a lousy campaign too for Sunday's election, why does PO run since they seem not to be able to campaign. A campaign is very difficult, it demands a strategy, a lot of efforts (and also money) so if too hard for PO maybe they should change jobs ;).

PIS IS the nanny state Delph. They are socialists. I don't get your argument. Facts as to why they are not to be considered as socialists please?

They want to subsidise the coal industry.
They want to raise social benefits
They want to and will, harass ther small business owner with even more bureaucracy and auditing
They want to interfere in national television and use it as a propoganda tool to counter "PO TVP24"
They want to deny women control over her own body
They want to instil religion and "the proper way to live according to the scriptures" back into mainstream politics
They want to waste our money on the usual witch-hunts, into "Who did what, and can they be prosecuted for anything at all..."

They want to make Poland the embarrassment in Europe that it was the last time they were handed the keys to the ministry of foreign affairs (bring back Cimoszowiec, a proper foreign minister...)

They want to promise all the things they know they can't deliver on, all the time playing the welfare card, and discouraging ambition.
They want to continue the nationalist policy of Xenophobia, and have a dangerous leader who utters such racist filth as "they (refugees) carry diseases..." Plenty of Poles stink, and I wouldn't risk being within 5 metres of them given the choice. I can express an opinion; a politician can't. He deals in facts. Unless he is a clown that is.

Populis, populism, populism. That's PIS

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I think the problem is that Kopacz has a really sound grasp on policy, she doesn't have the "it" factor. PO are really lacking in personalities right now - they used to roll over PiS with heavyweight political talent, but without Sikorski, Rostowski and so on, they're struggling. They also seem to be really struggling to get people on the streets, which is strange for a party that was and is mentioned as being the first Polish party that's comparable to Western parties in terms of structure and organisation

The "Kocham Polskę" campaign started off strongly, but it just didn't have legs for whatever reason.


I don't get it as well. I've noticed that the parties this time round are behaving in a really apathetic way - ok, PiS are struggling for cash after throwing everything at Duda's campaign - but it doesn't cost very much to get people out and about.


General predictions seem to be that PiS+Kukiz could enjoy a 10-15 seat majority. If Kukiz fails, then PiS will fall just short.

Might as well make some money betting on the result. I don't know where you get it from Delph but what I'm hearing here in the Tri-City is that nobody is voting with any enthusiasm for PO. I've even watched the canvassers. People are blanking them. They are fed up with PO as InPolska says.

And Tic-City is the most normal and pro-western Polish City (which is why I live here)

I suppose cleaning toilets with the favorable circumstances would be much better than getting bullied by 10 year olds in a primary school.


Yep, do some betting, the bookies are just waiting for an "experts" like yourselves to bring them some money.


Tic-City? where ever that is, sounds scary but if you say it's most normal then good for you.



I on the other hand am from Tri-city where majority of people are patriots and vote against the worst party Poland ever had that is PO. Last online poll was 27.1% - PiS and 22.9% - PO and I believe this result was just the warm up and expect bigger advantage this Sunday.

With Kopacz, it's the Gordon Brown factor. Having a technician as premier might make for efficiency, but the voters are swayed by charisma.

Very true! The charisma factor is very important and sometimes the most important. Current PiS leaders don't have much but PO's have O. EK doesn't have any, she does not feel comfortable around "normal people" and for the past few weeks has been completely lost, running around in circles like a chicken which got his head cut off. Her nightmare should end tomorrow night and as of Monday off, she'll be able to sleep and take it easy in her Radom (you would not catch me dead there ;)). Komorowski and Tusk look like in a coma (reason why Merkel gave Tusk his job as she is sure he won't say anything or act against her) and they put anybody to sleep. How can they gather crowds to vote for them?

Palikot, Kukiz, Zandberg for instance do have a hell of a charisma. In politics it's crucial to have charisma.

Online polls are hardly reliable. They attract a lot of votes from people that have too much time on their hands - which is why KORWiN is so massively overepresented online.

If you define charisma as cheap publicity-seeking and sensation-mongering at all costs, then Palikot definitely has charisma. He once came to a TV discussion show brandishing a latex penis and pistol, guzzled vodka from tiny bottles outside the presidential palace to ridicule the President of Poland and ostentatiosuly nailed his act of apostasy to the door of a £ódź church (making sure to alert TV crews well in advance).

@Pol: I am talking about the way he talks. I have personally met the guy and I was impressed.

@Delph; this morning I went shopping to Carrefour and took a (quick) look at main newspapers and they all announce PiS's victory. I must say that I have NEVER seen anything like this. I've seen quite a few instances when newspapers announced tight scores even if X's or Y's victory was to be expected. What is going now in Poland is extraordinary, in the true meaning of the word. Although the election is only tomorrow, people including medias take PiS's victory for granted. The question is: what is da..ed wrong with PO that they turn people of?

Saying that PiS shall win tomorrow is almost like saying that New Year shall starts on Jan. 1 in our culture. For the past months, PiS's victory has become such a matter of fact that I am most amazed.

The first is that there's a charisma gap among the leaders and the second is they are partly a victim of success. It's the old story, improving economic conditions don't make people happy they make them impatient for faster development.

There's also the perceived corruption of PO (though most of it seems more based on accusations than proof, and PiS will certainly not be any better if Duda's travel is anything to go by).

The question is will the old guard let the new guard take over or will they be pushed aside for the toxic delusions of the party elders. The success of PiS will largely depend on keeping the older generation on ice.

And.... I think collectively the Polish public is starting to check out on the whole EU idea (Kaczyński needs to send a big bouquet of roses to Merkel for helping him out so much) it seems like it could soon become more trouble than it's worth. I don't think there's massive anti-EU feelings yet but people are kind of ..... cooled on the idea, especially now that many have gotten a first hand look at the state of western europe.

Saint Stephen is not a cemetery, it's a church in Bogucice. The cemetery has no name.


Bogucice are full of certain kind of buildings called "familoki". They are very Silesian. They were meant to look this way.
Class dismissed

@Johnny: don't you have anything else to do in your miserable life besides splitting hair? The cemetary is run by the Parish. I have my closest Polish relatives burried there and I'll be at cemetary again in a few days. Does not matter how you call "workers' dwellings" in Kce, the inhabitants are dirt poor and spend a great deal of their time sitting on the sidewalk and drinking. I suppose most were coal miners and since most mines have been closed, they have nothing... Sad life!

Just wanted to make a point that just because you are a foreigner living in Poland does not make you an expert anymore
than a foreigner who does not live in Poland as your daily rants insinuate.


Calling them something that looks like in a book written by Dickens and Zola was a slap in the face to why they look the way they do.

I just want to educate your smart mouth by your belittling Poland once again.
As depressing as your life seems to be living in Poland no one really understands why you pretend to live a pseudo Polish life.


I wonder what you would do if you had no money (including any life insurance policy money) and no hope in life for it ever to get better.

Surely if your pretentious life were to be humbled to that point you would be sitting on the sidewalk drinking too or worse commit suicide.

In just over 28 hours Poland will be raising champagne toasts to the winners. My prediction: PiS 47%, PO 22%, Kukiz 10%, PSL 5%. (ZL 7.87% didn't cut the ice!)

PO 24 psl 6 pis 39 kukiz 9

Looks plausible. BTW does the pre-election silence apply to Internet forums?

I think PiS - 40% PO - 19% Korwin - 11% Kukiz - 9% ZL - 8%


No

That's quite high for Korwin. You don't think Petru will make it in?

It's a bit of a grey area. The servers aren't physically located in Poland, but we are still resident in Poland and responsible for publishing anything about it. So - theoretically yes.