Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

Kopacz regime sends their police to harass challenger Beata Szydło. Upon leaving the TV debate site Szydło's Szydłobsu was stopped, inspected by police and written up. Were they looking for concealed weapons, underground leaflets or what? In any event it smacked of PRL all the way. That's when the world's ugliest Jew Jerzy Urban used to regularly lie through the teeth that there were no political prisoners in Jaruzelski's Poland. They all were jailed for specific criminal offences.

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Polonius, you do realise that all transport like this must be declared to the police? I have to write a letter to the police every time I hire a bus to take kids somewhere - and checks are made frequently. It's normal in Poland, and don't pretend otherwise.

Szydło is not exempt from the law - in fact, she should be very happy that the police are doing their job properly.


No, it didn't. It smacked of the police doing their job properly.

See, Polonius - you might fool a few non-Poles, but those of us living here know that bus checks are absolutely normal.

Interesting that you think that Party members should be exempt from the law, Polonius.

PiS are harking back to a previous time like I've frequently suggested?

Yes, the communist authorities took no interest in what people did in their homes...

Just thought I'd quote this from last night's debate...


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Sure, a campaign coach prominently labelled Szydłobus leaving TV HQ is like any other bus. They're two a penny, ain't they?


Exactly which rights did Szydło vote against?

Shouldn't you be happy that no politician is above the law?

It seems strange that you're complaining about the police checking a) whether the bus is roadworthy, b) whether the documentation is present and correct and c) whether the driver is fit to drive. Fits entirely in with the IV RP - laws are for everyone else, but not for the nomeklatura.

If Szydło doesn't like it, she's free to campaign about changing the law so that police no longer check buses and their drivers. I'm sure that'll go down very well with parents...!

It was a clear case of poltically ordered harassment. Grzegorz Przemyk, a secondary-school graduate, was hauled in for a "routine check" in Old Town in 1983. His funeral took place several days later. That's how all regimes operate. Google for details.

It was a clear case of the law being applied equally to all citizens of the Republic regardless of who or what they are. I really cannot understand why you seem to be promoting special treatment for some.


Comparing that to a routine bus inspection is in pretty bad taste.


If it was a regime Polonius, then you would be rotting in a prison cell.

Identical arguments were voiced by Jerzy Urban in defence of detetnions, street round-ups, home searches and other such "routine" police-state tactics.
The glib justifications were backed up by very "convincing" rubber-encased
cable batons. Kopacz has apparently remained faithful to the Jaruzelski heritage.

So in other words, the law as adopted by democratic and free Poland is actually comparable to the law in the PRL? That's a pretty offensive thing to say, given the people that fought and gave their lives for this country.


No-one was using batons, no-one was threatening anyone. It was a routine police control.


Comparing police checks to ensure the safety of the passengers and other road users to Jaruzelski's regime... go on Polonius, you're just showing your utter lack of respect.

It was always officially called "routine police control". Anyway, have your fun -- five more days of Kopaczland. As one politician told Tomasz Lis, "You'll soon be a refugee from Polish State Television!"

Polonius, I think your paranoia has reached an all-time high. I've seen about 100 police controls in the last 5 years, and not a single one was oppressive in the slightest. They turn up, they check the documents, they sometimes test for alcohol, they check the equipment on the bus, they check the lights/horn/etc and they're on their way. They aren't oppressing anyone, or doing anything other than making sure that the democratically-passed law on road safety is obeyed. More to the point - they're also making sure that the bus isn't a danger to anyone else on the road.

I'm very happy that Poland is the kind of country where politicians are not above the law. I have to inform the police about using buses - and they check me. Why should Szydło be exempt from it? A single police control in several months of using the bus is really nothing.

No matter how hard you try Polonius, it's pretty obvious that you want the PiS-Politburo to be exempt from all laws. Did you know that in East Germany, the SED Politburo carried special passes that allowed them to be exempt from any and all road rules? It sound like you want the same.


And another 4 years of PiS in opposition. Doesn't bother me ;)


Nice to see that you're not even denying that PiS intend to seize control of TVP and turn it into PiSTV.

And PIS did the same, auditing my wife's schools 3 times in 2 years.

It's a Polish thing. When Polish authorities/police/whoever/... harass me, I always tell them to get to ****, Steve Jobs style. It's worked so far:)

If anyone wants to know the mentality that kept the RPL in power, here it is.

Or... it's a version of Kali's morality (moralność Kalego)

"potępianie u innych tego, co u siebie uważa się za dobre"

"Condemning others for behavior that one approves of for oneself"

No one has any comments on the debate? I missed it on purpose (too much posturing and sloganeering for my taste) but apparently the "winner" was Adrian Zandberg from Razem and the "loser" was Kukiz, but who do I see on TV this morning? Kukiz and his idiotic rambling.... Who is behind pushing this guy who has no clear ideas and no idea how governments can work?

Interesting to see that you don't have even a word of criticism for the 'Teraz Kurwa My' crew planning to fire people from tax-payer funded public jobs for purely political reasons. Interesting but not at all surprising.


He makes better TV. I'm personally hoping that he squeaks in with 5.1% of the vote: watching PIS trying to build a government that depends on the support of that utter clown will be utterly hysterical, for the few months that it lasts and then PIS will be back to another eight years of opposition.

I hope that doesn't happen. Poland needs a better political culture and long terms of uninteruppted rule by a single party don't produce that. Time spent out of power can help a party regain focus and reset priorities, PO is old and complacent they need a break.

I'm still hoping the younger generation in PiS and similar parties can put the toxic elders like Kaczyński and Macierewicz out to pasture and evolve into a non-hysterical Christian Democrat party. I don't agree with that much of Szydło's policy preferences but she at least seems like a relatively sane parliamentarian. But if she's pushed aside in favor of Kaczyński (as many suspect will happen) then.... the result will be amusing in a horrible way but not good for the country.

Sadly the toxic elders in PIS perfectly reflect the core support of PIS, as is shown by even this board.


Unfortunately most things in Poland which have the word 'Christian' in their name get hijacked by people who very simply are not.


Time out of power hasn't changed PIS; if anything it has made them even more bitter and twisted, given them even more things which they feel there needs to retribution for, things for which they feel the need to extract revenge.


First opportunity he gets, he'll be right back in as PM. I reckon it'll be within six months and probably in response to a crudely engineered 'crisis' involving lack of support from Kukiz's mob.

Availablilty, telly/media appeal and circumstance. often the politicians (if he can be counted as one) with the least to say get the pre-election exposure because it makes the teatime news interesting.

Just as you voice no criticism over the "Cały czas kurwa my" crowd that is
holding on for dear life so as not to get torn away from the feeding through. Maybe they have already stolen their fill in 8 years' time!

I was at Sejm until 1 hour ago and will go back there on Monday am and no strange athmosphere ;). Everybody knows that PiS shall win and that's it... Only in PF some people panick ;).

However, what strikes me is the huge difference in polls between PiS and PO. Normally two leading parties are separed by a few % but the way it is now amazes me. I believe that PiS is not any good so most probably people intend to vote AGAINST PO rather than for PiS. Seriously, were and are PO so bad that they are so far behind PiS? Am just asking..

'Teraz Kurwa My' crew Is PO at the moment but won't be in a matter of 4 days.



For the sake of everybody's great amusement :-)

Remind us why it was Duda that was caught red handed claiming for trips to his private workplace, remind us why it was Hoffman that was caught, etc etc?

Has he at least refunded the money? That would go some distance toward giving him some credibility.

No, which is quite surreal. The claim by his office was that he was visiting Dziuba in Poznań, which made no sense whatsoever.

You forgot how much sacking and cronyism went on after PO first got to power. Par for the course!

You mean removing all those PiS, Samobroona and LPR goons that only got their jobs because of who they were.

PiS will do exactly the same this time round. For instance - the GDDKiA has done an amazing job in the last few years - yet it's obvious that PiS will fire every single regional manager and replace them with PiS goons. This is entirely the problem with PiS - it exists solely as a party to provide jobs for the boys and girls that support PiS now.

I can remind you something better, 4 more days and PO is out :-)

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