Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

Let's discuss the PiS candidate telling teenagers to shut up, shall we?

What people? Abortionists, couples living in sin, divorcees, family deserters, perverts, the consenting-adult/ anything-goes crowd, capitalist exploiters, drug dealers, hedonists? Yes, I don't doubt the Church's teaching doesn't sit well with that ilk!

We're not discussing your fantasies Polonius. We're discussing PiS candidates being openly rude and nasty to national minorities.

That is the kind of Church some PF-ers want. And not to please people as such but society's marginal types, moral misfits, freaks, assorted perverts and anything-goes hedonists.

I'm sure that PiS supporters will find some kind of defense for this (or just ignore it entirely, they're gonna get a lot of practice just ignoring embarassing things in the future).

Well, Polonius and his reactions are exactly what we can expect. He's completely ignoring it - instead of doing the honourable thing and denouncing such behaviour. Sadly, the German minority in particular are likely to get a lot of abuse under a PiS government.

Michnik looking the wild-eyed demagogue is ranting, raving and probably crapping in his pants at the thought of a PiS victory which he equates with fascism. Adam, that trick was good while it lasted and it lasted far too long. But people have seen through those PiS-demonising tactics totally reminiscent of the boy who cried wolf.

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No. As I said, in a parliamentary system a governing party losing confidence of the electorate is a very normal thing. What I note (on the ground rather than from an American perch) is that people are not happy with PO for reasons of inertia rather than actually having any great confidence in PiS.

If, as I suspect, the new faces that have been fronting the campaign are pushed into the background soon after the election in favor of fossils like Kaczyński and Macierewicz then the honeymoon will be very, very short. If the new guard can keep the old guard off the playing field than maybe PiS can evolve into a normal Christian Democratic party which would not be the worst thing in the world.

And you still have no problem with someone yelling at Polish teenagers for singing in the "wrong" language even if it is an integral part of the local landscape.

No, it wouldn't be a bad thing at all. But the desire for "revenge" over Smoleńsk hasn't gone away, and I fear that many innocent people are about to have their lives ruined as a result. Macierewicz even made it clear that they have names ready and waiting - which is rather frightening.

I can see 2006 happening all over again - Kaczyński seizes power from a popular Szydło, proceeds to destroy the government and then blames everyone else in sight for being destroyed again in an election.

Be very afraid...

I'm more afraid of PiS breaking the huge amount of contracts signed to rebuild infrastructure, to be honest.

What about the guitly people who had their misdeeds swept under the rug during the PO era which is happily drawing to a close? The world does not consist solely of innocent people. IV RP will sift and winnow to weed out the bad from amongst the good. The innocent have nothing to fear but the scammers should shake in their booths. The CBA are on their trail.

PiS previously made it very clear (with Ziobro) that they didn't respect the judiciary and prosecutors as an independent institution, so how can anyone have faith in PiS to allow institutions to do their work free of political interference?

Or do you mean that PiS will go after people like Hoffman and insist on bigger punishments?


PiS through and through - everyone is guilty, except them.

Perhaps Polonius, you can explain whether the IV RP will demand the President resigns for his fraudulent activities?

am afraid of PIS ,heard they drink virgins blood and burn dogs alive,and they bite baby chickens heads off..and other thingies.you better run!!!

They do far worse than that. They treat the taxpayer as their personal bank account.

Don't you realise that your screaming is not heard? You can not influence voting decisions on this forum, people who have rights to vote allready know their choices here.

btw do you have rights to vote delph?

There's still 6-10% of undecided voters. As for "screaming", it seems that the only screaming is done by rude candidates who try and deny the right of children to sing in their own language.


Sadly, no. Another year, so just in time for the 2017 election.

Not sure who I'd vote for, actually. Kukiz is an obvious no, but beyond that... it would probably come down to who the best candidate was in my area.

GOOD NEWS: BEATA SZYD£O WINS DEBATE. A running survey by SE.pl showed that viewers handed PiS' candidate for PM Beata Szydło a 64%-36% victory over reigning PM Ewa Kopacz. General predictions indicated the debate would be crucial to next Sunday's vote.

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That's not really credible.

From looking around, it looks like it was pretty bland and no-one won it. I watched a little bit of it, but there were no fireworks or knockout blows.

Typical Brit Bully tactic: mistaking wishful thinking for reality. In actuality, just another indication that the Platformers are headed for a smashing defeat next Sunday. Better get used to the idea so it won't come as a shock!

Polonius, how can you take a poll in that rag (worse than your grey toilet paper!) seriously?

The only thing that matters is who can win the vote of confidence in the Sejm. Everything else is irrelevant.

If PiS & allies get 43%, PO 22% and Kukiz and PSL 6% each, there'll be no problem with a vote of confidence. If more of the little also-rans make it, then the situation might be a bit more troublesome. I am hoping and praying for the former option leading to a go-it-alone United Right government.

what do you mean by integral part of the local landscape - do you think that these people talk German at home?

Oh don't be sad about it :-/ I don't have the candidate that I would vote for sure and since I don't live in Poland it makes no difference to me so I can vote for you, I am in those 6-10% of undecided voters, who do you think I should vote delph?

Probably not since that was discouraged by the commies. But a colleague who lived in the area for over 10 years said that at the beginning he never heard German on the street but by the end (around 2000) it was pretty common (as was code-switchin, people going back and forth between the two).

The three hisotrical languages of Silesia are Polish, German and Czech (plus the Silesian dialects of the two Slavic languages). Why try to rewrite history?

Why be nasty too a couple of teenagers who care about all their heritage not just part of it?

Utter Platformerian bollocks! Making a federal case out of a minor local incident is typical of small-minded PO backers. Maybe "Wybiórcza" should splash a banner headline across their front page:

PiS LAUNCH ANTI-CHILDREN CRUSADE! or PiS STAMPING OUT CULTURAL PLURALISM! That's right up their editorial alley!

Pesky free press. Thank goodness Poland won't have that much longer....

Minor local incident? It's not the first time that PiS have been openly hostile towards the German minority - as I well remember, even Kaczyński was making threats towards them not that long ago. If PiS were a sane party, they would immediately announce that the candidate in question is expelled from the Party (capital p intentional). There's no need to abuse children for the sake of political points.


PiS. You're not going to vote ZL, Nowoczesna or PO - so it leaves PiS and Kukiz. If Kukiz forms a coalition with PiS, he's going to cause a lot of trouble - he has no real experience in politics, and he was openly indulging in fights with PiS online not that long ago. From a country point of view, PiS winning a majority is surely preferable to an unstable PiS/Kukiz coalition.

You seem to go round expelling people from parties, sacking offcials, impeaching presidents,etc. But on one condition: that they're from PiS.
The PO scam artists and artwork-stealing heads of state get off scot free, because they're from PO. Indeed, you are unbiased, impartial and fair-minded to the core. NOT!

how can you discourage poeple from using their supposedly mother tongue at home?
maybe it simply never was their mother tongue in the first place
Poles were under partitions for over 100 years and Polish language has not been eradicated and you tell me that after some 20 years of polonization pressure German language went out of use at homes?

I happen to live in the area you know and I have never heard locals talk to each other in German - yes they talk in Silesian dialect (I can even agree to call it a language if you agree that Scottish is a language on it's own)

and well the NTO report on the incident is manipulated afaik


abusing children hahah - it was the PO candidate (former German minority) who abused children using them for political purposes - this was no spontanous event my dear friend