Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

So you say just because I live in other country I should forget where I'm from and who I am? Forget that there are still people living in Poland, my friends among them and first of all my family? No, I will not forget it and will not turn my back when they need my help fighting ugly monsters like this:

what if he plans to go back to Poland is future even if it is distant future?

Wulkan, you are a little hysterical if you think I wanted you to stop contacting your family. Let's leave it there, as you seem a bit upset.

Gumishu, my personal belief is no representation without contribution. It's quite simple. In the days when I could vote in the UK, even though I didn't live there, I didn't because I didn't feel morally entitled to do so. Other people are free to think otherwise.

I'm not upset but I fear you will be in 7 days.

@Wulkan: this picture as a matter of fact is one of the very best one can find. Normally she looks much worse.

Well, that doesn't sday much for Italians, does it?! I guess they deserved to have a Berluscone in power!

@Pol: I remember now that she's originally from Hungary. Besides being a wh, she was completely stupid.... Well, in Italy they like "colorful" people ;). As to men voting for women just because of their good looks, it happened no later than in May in Poland. Over 90% of voters for M. Ogórek were ... men. I suppose that Miller and Co, instead of a program, thought a cute blond would do the job, which was stupid and also insulting to both M. Ogórek (who never belonged to SLD and who has left politics) and women in general.

Netheless, no one gets elected now because of their ideas but simply because they are better at marketing.

That's a totally marginal issue. Poles that vote abroad (and there's not that many of them) are usually recent emigrants, who send money here, frequently visit, often are not yet sure where they are going to live in the future and generally contribute more than many living here.

ALL of the people i speak to in Trojmiasto will vote against PIS. But they are very reluctant to vote for PO.

Spread this straw poll across Poland and PO have no chance.

Absolutely zilch. Zero.

Terrible news, and like others I am seriously considering the future of continuing to reside at Dougpol Towers, as the PIS scum will be auditing my businesses, or should I say, harassing me, at every turn, as before. I am older now, and wont stand for that **** again.

You know, Doug, there is what people say and what they do. Nobody claims to vote PSL or Kukiz for instance and they do get votes...

However, Monday October 26 won't be any different

Source? Your comments smack of opinion.


But people are sick of PO - they say that PO has broken promises and have done nothing in 8 years, so why should they give them four more years?

We all know that's nonsense, as Poland has undergone a sea-change in the last 8 years, and is unrecognisable from before, but people always demand chang - when actually it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't ( as it were - as in this case we know the devil is PIS...)

That's what I have often heard from PO people. I know quite a few people here in Warsaw who have stopped voting for PO as they claim "PO have done nothing" and who usually do not vote any longer. Some of them have turned to TR but most don't bother voting at all. Could some of them vote for people such as Kukiz....? If a lof of people don't vote, it could be very bad for PO as obviously PiS's people will vote...

The thing is that the turnout doesn't look to be any less, and I can't imagine PO voters going near PiS/Kukiz/Korwin.

To me, the most likely scenario right now is that PiS will fall just short - and Kaczyński will spend 4 years claiming that the election was rigged.

disappointed PO voters will stay home. As I said, I know quite a few who stopped voting in May.

Can anyone explain why Korwin is being branded a rightist? He wants to do away with income tax, the national health service and free public education and believes, like the original liberals of yesteryear, that the best government is that which governs the least. Leave as much money in people's pockets so they can afford private medical care and education -- seems to sum it up nicely.

I wish you were right Delph.

Tromiasto is solidly PO (liberal) by past years, and everybody has forgotten what vast changes have taken place and are not going to vote in sufficient numbers for PO. We're doomed, I tell ya!

A lot are thinking of voting for the new business party, damp squib though it be.

I'm not so sure they will - if you use May as a barometer, then the turnout was almost identical in the 2nd round compared to 2010. Duda won those voters rather than the PO voters staying at home - but that was almost certainly down to the fact that he engaged the voters much more than Komorowski did. PiS as a party haven't performed anywhere near as well.

With respect Delph, the president vote is completely different to this "real vote." Even people in the "Monaco" of Poland are ****** off with PO for some reason. I have absolutely no idea why, other than they want to vote for somebody new.

Kukiz? Lol - there is a Kukiz "office" on my dog walking route, and I have never seen anybody enter or leave the place:)

@Delph: No, I'm just talking about the (quite a few) disappointed PO's voters I know. All these did not vote in May and don't intend to vote on 25th. These people just don't care any longer about politics and politicians (like I suppose at least 50% of Poles and of anyone in general).

You are not listening are you? Poland doesn't allow a vote to people who have lived here for 23 years and paid ******* ZUS and 33 per cent taxes for most of that time.

Of course I could have taken Polish citizenship, but in the past that involved giving up my British citizenship.

Give up British citizenship for these jokers?

They were 'aving a larf.

And there is no way Poles living in the UK should be able to vote on what happens to my money. Disgusting. We all know that Poles living abroad have rose tinted spectacles and are stupid enough to listen to nationalist brainwashing by the remaining twin and his xenophobic mates.

edted...

quote=johnny reb]I agree or pay taxes to the that country..
I have always said, to be able to cast a vote you must present either your property tax receipt or proof of income tax.
Those are the people PAYING for what and who you vote for.
To have welfare recipients who vote for a living instead of work for a living that pay nothing into the public trough to pay for

what is being voted on should not be allowed to vote either.[/quote]
Excellent post Johnny. So absolutely right.

You don't have much idea whatsoever :)))

Que? Says a socialist PIS supporter? Lol. You need to study the different programmes.

If you are happy to get up in the morning, and do a day's work, and innovate, vote PO

If you get out of bed in the morning, and count how much money you are going to be allowed to earn that day, vote PIS.

It really is that simple.

you know- you can have 2 citizenships for quite a long time now...

Yes, I know that. But I don't want the bureaucracy that it brings. For example, I still drive on a UK licence, and would have to give that up.

I prefer a UK driving licence. It cost a lot, and proves that I can actually drive properly and didn't pay a bribe :)

you forgot to provide the source for that information (about driving license).
and well... if you are put off by the bureaucracy than it clearly shows how much do you desire polish citizenship. I see no problem in that, but you shouldn't complain about the lack of voting rights (in general elections).

Ah - but for many years the ONE citizenship rule DID apply, and guess who was one of it's biggest advocates?

Kaczynski. that's who.


Now, let me see...

Two of my learners here in Trojmiasto have candidly admitted to me that they bought their driving licence ( from a sample of about 150).

Maybe some of those other adults did too. maybe not.

In the UK that has been impossible for over 50 years. Although there were cases of people impersonating the would be test driver, that is still not as disgraceful as Polish driving instructors taking hard cash.

PiS leader Kaczyński said on Sunday that if PiS win you can expect peace, calm and a plan for Poland. He also said Poland needs housing within the reach of the average Pole. It should not cost more than 2,500 zł per square metre and can be rented on a hire-purchase basis whereby the rent would count like instalments so after 30 years it would become the tenant's property. More proof that PiS have the welfare of Poland's little man at heart. That's quite unlike PO who suck up to oligarchs, bankers, corporate executives and other bloodsuckers as well as their yuppy hirelings.

Highly unlikely given his history.


More populism. Such prices are picked out of thin air, and such a promise has no chance of being honoured. The price in £ódź alone is over 3,500zl/m2 - and this is in an economically depressed area. Even in places such as Nowy Sącz, you're looking at around 3,000-3,200zł/m2.


Which means more debt for the government, as the government also has to take all the risk.

What would make much more sense is for a law to be passed prohibiting municipal authorities from renting bigger flats than required, with spot checks to make sure that it's still the case. This would help to ease the housing problems, as old people would no longer be allowed to take up large municipal apartments in prime locations.

But PiS couldn't do it, because they depend on old people voting for them.


Not really. PiS will promise the moon to everyone, as it's been their sole electoral strategy since 2007. More to the point - PO already have been helping "the little man" obtain housing through the MdM programme. Do try and keep up.

Are you for real? Do you expect to obtain the right to vote in a country of your residence without securing citizenship of that country? Am I right to assume you are not taking any medication?


Seems like you have made your choice.


Let me get it right. You aren't willing to take on Polish citizenship which would allowed you to vote and at the same time you are winging and crying that you are not allowed to vote. Catch-22.


I certainty do! After reading your hilarious nonsense.

And Poles retain voting rights in their country while not paying taxes here?

I have paid into this country for 23 ******* years.

Who is having the laugh.?

As I said, taking citizenship of a country comes at a price. I would never give up my Britishness, and why should I? I can't say why actually, as Vincent would ban me :)