Poland Parliamentary elections 2015

PO is finished..and Kopacz is pudrowana ***. what a disgrace to betray wisegrad group..shame..stupid poles who vote for those people.deserve nothing better..PO-EU prostitution

Some of these politicians know in 1 month they will be out of a job. They want to go down with their Party. Are we surprised ?

Punish their political party in the Election

PO isn't finished, because you don't know what Poland agreed to. Wait and see, because the murmurings are that Poland pushed through some amendments to the original plan that are favourable.


Merkel desperately needs a deal to fight off the problems at home - for her, no-one will count the fact that 10000 turned up in Poland and 9999 vanished into Germany.

Since she invited them it's purely her own fault.

They always try to sell bad news as something good, like rising taxes to 44% and claiming it is actually reduction. They are supported by some oligarchs and major mass media so they are not finished as yet but they will loose- that for certain.

One can easily go crazy from European politics. Duda should calm that Kopacz

You're still making the fatal mistake of assuming that the electoral mathematics will work in their favour. If PiS get 38-39% of the vote but PO, ZL, PSL, Nowoczesna and MN take the remaining seats, then PiS will be in a very difficult situation with the largest amount of seats but no parliamentary majority and no possible coalition partner.

Anyway, that word came from the UK media, not the Polish media. Let's wait and see what the final deal is.


Doesn't bother me. I can't imagine they'll want to stay in Poland for one minute, and the door is open.

As far as last survey

PIS: 33%
PO 22%
ZL 8%
KORWIN 7%
NPL 6%
PSL 6%
KUKIZ 5%

So we probably can see the coalition PIS - KORWIN - KUKIZ and maybe PSL if they will want to rule.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/sondaz-poparcie-do-po-pis-spada-korwin-silniejszy-kukiz-na-granicy/8j4cvb

one thing baffles me.why this stupi Kopacz bothered to organize and take part in V4 group recently?and then stab them in the back.what that stupid game for?

its so embarrassing.V4 is dead now,after such betrayal.i tho comon policy regarding immigrants was agreed in V4 submit

And you think that a coalition of PiS, Korwin and Kukiz would be in any way stable? Even PiS and Korwin would be dangerous for PiS - Korwin-Mikke's not known for his ability to work with others (hence why he screwed up Nowa Prawica) and his behaviour is hardly likely to change if he enters government.

PSL voters are also ideologically rather opposed to PiS, seeing as they consist of the rural middle classes.


Have you got any idea what Poland actually agreed to? No? So why are you making such comments?

All you know is that Poland said yes to something. What that something is - we don't know.

You can have right as far as stability of Korwin but there is no such thing as PSL and ideology. Or rather: ideology of PSL is to rule. Yhere is o joke in Poland wchich is no joke but psl politition statement that the next elections will win the next PSL coalition party.

It's a nice idea, but you're forgetting that the PSL have more to lose than gain by forming a coalition with PiS. They will be well aware of the tricks that Kaczyński played on his old coalition partners, and so it makes more sense for them to stay outside than to enter government.


You still don't know the details. It could well be that Germany will be paying for it all.

I know this is a recurring conviction of yours about the PSL. I disgaree. The power-hungry bumpkins of PSL will go with anyone that ensures giving them at least a fingerhold of power. It all depends how the other also-rans do. If only PIS, PO and PSL got in, the PSL would be tempted to join in a coaliton with PiS regardless of past grudges and animosities.

If, say, Petru and Lewica made it and PSL's input would give them a majority over PiS, then of course PSL would eagerly join such a PO-led coalition.


A mere technicality it seems? I presume they get their two seats no matter how poorly they fare.

Personally I doubt if Korwin can make it. Kukiz maybe. With the lefties it's also a toss-up.

No, they need to still win seats in the "okręg". It's why other national minorities don't win seats in the Sejm, as they can't win enough votes.

wybory2011.pkw.gov.pl/wsw/pl/sjm-21.html - here's the result from 2011 that shows where MN won their singular seat.


It's all to play for. The PSL will do better than the opinion polls give them credit for, but I also have severe doubts about the ability of Korwin, Kukiz and the ZL to make it.

And if PSL are the only little guy to make it, do you entirely rule out the possibltiy of them refusing a coaliton with PiS if offered one. PiS hopes to go it alone, so if they win a comfortable edge over the combined PO and PSL vote, they'll probably eschew the coalition option. For good reason PiS are coaliton-wary (think Lepper and Giertych)

so they'll probably prefer an ad hoc voting coalition with PSL on issues where they and PSL share similar views.

PSL will get in bed with anyone for a shred of political power......

On TVP Info Wednesday morning some poltical observer whom I don't know said there was a rift wtihin PSL over whether to go with PO or PiS. They expect 10-12% support in the election.


The latest survey shows not only PSL but also the lefties, Petru and Korwin out of the running. Only three groupings will be in the Sejm according to pollster GfK Polonia:

PiS 42%
PO 30%
Kukiz 9.8%.

Terrible. Time for another brain drain I fear.

Spoken like a crass materialist! Only a few selfish, greedy Platfus-style egoists will jump ship - true Polish patriots who've got the good of their country at stake will carry on.

Ku chwale Ojczyzny!

Bit of a weird statement, Polonius, given that many PiS voters left between 2007-2015. Ironside also clearly stated that he would give up Polish citizenship if PO win.

Having said that, I agree. A real patriot would stay and make things better regardless of who wins. If PiS wins, then I'll join an opposition party and help with removing them with power.

PM Kopacz may have scored a few brownie points with voters over the refugee buisness. She trimmed the number down form 12,000 to 5,000 and insisted on the safeguarding of the EU's external borders and the pre-screening of prospective newcomers to remove economic migrants from refugees.

All the speculations and projections so far have assumed a PiS victory. But what if the final vote came out PO 35, PiS 34, Kukiz 12 - the rest wasted by voters on under-5% also-rans.

Maybe Kaczyński would decide against teaming up with Kukiz (having been burnt by the Lepper-Giertych fiasco) and Duda might figure it'd be better to leave the refugee mess to the Platfusy.

Admittedly, not very likely, because the prospect of political power is an irresistible temptation, but - as I have repeatedly said - in love, war and politics almost nothing is impossible.

That was an own goal. He wanted to create a grand coalition of the right but didn't realize you have get the mainstream first before going for the extremes cause the extremes will scare off the mainstream.

What you see appealing in PO delph? They are despicable lairs, cheats and an epitome of dilettantism.

They have proven they don't care about Polish interests at all, they represent interest of the EU and Germany in Poland instead.

I think there would still be the potential for a German-style Grand Coalition between PiS and PO. Many of the prominent figures from the 2005-2013 period have now gone, and Szydło leading PiS without the toxic figures (Kaczyński, Macierewicz and a few others) and with the backing of Duda could work. Both PO and PiS have signalled their willingness to spend on welfare, and neither party would lose very much by entering some sort of coalition with each other. It would be more or less a repeat of the AWS era - so not unthinkable.

My gut feeling is that in such a scenario (assuming PiS can't reach agreement with Kukiz), PO would agree to step aside to let PiS run things. They would have nothing to lose by giving up power in such a scenario - and they could play on PiS weaknesses such as Kaczyński and Macierewicz. PiS would also have to contend with their electorate demanding significant changes - but every competent person fired by PiS would result in electoral gains for PO. So - from a strategy point of view, it would suit PO to stand aside.

Although this may be only a one-off fluke, the latest CBOS poll shows a PO-led coaliton to be a distinct possibility.
PiS got 34%, PO 30%, Kukiz 7%, Petru 6% and PSL 5%. Lefties are out of the game at 5% (need 8% as a coalition).
The Grand Coaliton idea was obliterated by PO in 2005. Whether it can be resurrected, Bóg jeden tylko wie! I haven't heard any such suggestions circulating so far.

These polls are getting stranger and stranger. Even the most hardened PO supporter couldn't imagine them with a 4% lead over PiS right now! I wonder however, if this poll doesn't reflect the return of Kaczyński and Macierewicz to politics. What may be happening here is that the "undecided" voters were torn between PO and centre/left candidates - so this may reflect them becoming more certain in their choices.

Right now however, I wouldn't take this poll seriously. We need to wait and see what the polls say next week, as the fallout from the refugees comes clear.


It's honestly hard to predict what could happen here. Would PiS really be happy to form a coalition with Kukiz or Korwin if they know how easy it will be for the opposition to pick on them as the weak links? But we shouldn't rule out stranger coalition ideas. In Greece, Szriza have re-entered government with the right wing Independent Greeks. Could we see the same here?

The only poll that counts shall be on ... October 25 ;). I remember when polls announced 70% for Komorowski ;);)

Nonsense. A lot of my contacts are seriously considering their positions. They are high earners and can go where they please.

PS: I have just had electronic gates installed on my gaffe. If the PiS police come calling I will be away to set up shop in sunny Italy, and others who "can do" will likely do the same in countries of their choice.

It's all a bad joke. As if life wasn't hard enough here, we are now going to be harassed at every turn by a socialist government.

I will oppose them at every turn.

Do they consider Israel, Brazil or Venezuela as their destination?

Holland, Norway, Germany, the UK.

There is ONE place in Poland that is actually normal in thinking, and forward looking, and it's Pomorskie region.

Glad to educate you on that.