Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

I second that, they need to be muzzled.


Seriously you have got the attitude of a slightly less than intelligent child whose toys have been taken away.

Now now. We let them talk, because the more they open their mouths, the more people realise how absolutely unelectable they are.

I suppose......but only until the election(: When this election is over and done with, I will just simply completely ignore what they are saying, because i will do so in the knowledge that Kaczynski will never return to power ever again, and quite possibly PIS will fall apart.

PO are fekkers, enough of their incompetency and thieving.


thats only pawian's pathetic assumptions, as I have repeated many times before - there is no connection whatsoever between me and PiS.
night

My own prediction here -

Nothing will change in terms of seats/votes - PO-PSL will be returned to power. Kaczynski won't resign straight away - he'll give a few speeches in which he'll blame everyone but himself, but after a few days, the knives will be out and he'll be forced to resign. He'll then give a bizarre rambling speech, and I wouldn't be surprised if he sets up his new fringe loony party that no-one will support.

Meanwhile, PiS will start to distance themselves from him - probably, they will make some claims that he disrespected his dead brother, etc etc - and they will start to sort themselves out. This year will be like 2001 for the UK Conservatives - an utter disaster, and they'll start to reform. The "hardline" faction will probably be pushed to the backbenches by a new leader - some of them might join Kaczynski, but the majority will be behind the new leader who will reinvent the party.

This really is Kaczynski's last chance - the next elections are in 2014.

Sure there isn't, but it seems as though you are perfectly happy for them to win government.......hmm I wonder why that might be? Come of it, Pawian is obviously right and your less than subtle use of PIS propaganda proves it.


Seems like a very accurate prediction, so much so that i would like to appropriate it and make it my prediction as well(:
Though in a cruel irony, when they realize that PIS is not an electoral force-I think some of them might actually come out and start saying things like-well actually the late president contributed to his own death..... This will leave Kaczynski foaming at the mouth(:

I am on the outside looking in and I have a question regarding PiS: 1) are most of its members seniors? 2) if so, what will happen to this party when they die off?

simple,I believe them less harmful to Poland than PO.


why would you think that ?

No not necessarily, their support comes from mostly older rural uneducated voters though, who tend to listen to radio Marija.

That is the problem with some conservative American Poles who left in 1990s and deem themselves great experts who know much better than Poles residing in Poland what is good for us.

God, protect us from such "patriots."

Voting rights should be lifted for all Poles who stay abroad longer than one year - their perspective is blurred seriously and they lose touch with the Polish reality. Their voting is simply out of place, out of time.

For example:


Nope. PiS is much more harmful because they are able to start a civil war in order to get power. Dead bodies and destruction - that is what doesn`t scare PiS.

And it scares all other parties, what makes them normal in result.

Really, that's quite extraordinary because if PIS was in power now Poland would be another Greece. May i remind you of some of their polices? All of them urging the government to spend more during the crisis-thank goodness Rostowski ignored them.


It is incredible how bitter he is, I wonder where he gets his news from-I am guessing from family in Poland who constantly tell him how terrible everything is. The worst thing is that he is completely ignorant of the facts and ignores all statistics-and if information doesn't suit his worldview he deems it automatically to have been fabricated.

Forget Poland for the moment. Can some tell me, where in the world, is there a decent politician?

As for Poland, I'm sure the majority of Polish people couldn't care less about politics. Past elections show that only a small percentage of the population have ever bothered to vote. And who can blame them? What I would like to say to them, is to get out and vote, because this is your one chance to show, who you want to run your country. If you don't, you can't complain with what you end up with. This country can only go forward with everyone getting out to vote.

Very good question. And what is decent in the first place? Aren't politicians merely a reflection of the society we live in? Don't we get the politicians we all deserve? In the case of PIS, the answer to the last question is a definite no.

It's stereotyped as such, but it's more accurate to say that they're the "Catholic-Socialist" option than anything else.

If you look back at Solidarity, they are the continuation of the "worker" faction.


I'd even go further and say that voting rights should be restricted from anyone born abroad, unless they return to Poland and pay tax/ZUS contributions for at least a year. That would stop the Plastic Poles ;)

(I know one Polish American, much to his credit, who wanted to vote Kaczynski but decided not to vote because - in his words - "I'm American, not Polish". He gained a hell of a lot of respect from people for that.


I just don't think Kaczynski realises that Poles don't want battles, don't want wars - they want peace and quiet for once.

In a way, it's a shame for Poland - Poland needs a strong opposition party, and only the SLD seem capable of that at the minute.

Pay taxes in Poland for just a single year and be able to vote? Hell no! Make it a five year minimum for either residency or tax+ZUS contributions before people can vote here. And also remove, for life, the voting right of people who had Polish citizenship and then took up other citizenship: nobody who has renounced their allegiance and/or loyalty to Poland should ever be let inside a polling booth in Poland!

Even with scary people as "laptop" Ziobro and Macieriewicz? And the way they exploit the Smoleńsk thing to the maximum....

It gets better and better...

thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/54248,Polish-MEP-charges-journalists-for-London-meeting

Journalists wishing to attend a meeting with former justice minister and prominent Law and Justice member Zbigniew Ziobro have been asked to pay 100 pounds sterling for the privilege, media reports.

"There is no possibility for Gazeta Wyborcza to be present at the meeting," Piotrowska said, adding that there is to be a "different selection process" as the club wants "to avoid unfavourable accounts" of the meeting in the media.

haha...hahahahaha....hahahahahahahahahahaha

Don't they realise that by banning GW/TVN/etc, they'll just get mocked even more in the media?

In 2008, Kaczyński announced a boycott of TVN station. PiS members were prohibited to appear there.
After some time, the ban was lifted when he realised it brought more harm than good.
Complete crazies, behave like they lived in 19 century.

Do other countries also have such political parties who are voted for mostly by simple-minded people?

What makes me laugh is that seem utterly oblivious to the stuff they're doing - I mean, charging journalists to attend a meeting?


Hmm. As far as my knowledge of European politics goes, there's no country in Europe with such a hard split between "educated' and "uneducated" people. Could be wrong, though.

I'm just imagining the type of people who go to "Gazeta Polska" meetings in the UK. Can you imagine? I looked on their website today - it contains nothing but Smolensk and moaning about PO. And guys, *that's* why PiS won't get elected.

Not only Poles. I'll vote for the bugger too. Or rather vote against the others. I havent voted for anyone for thirty years.

That is an absolutely crazy thing to propose. Poles that travel the world shouldn't lose their rights.

If they keep paying taxes in Poland, they can keep their rights.

In fact, let's go one further - anyone who fails to submit a PIT-11 form should be prohibited from voting. That'll soon stop those who only take the advantages of Polish citizenship and don't give anything back. I mean, if they can't be bothered to even submit a tax return every year, they're not exactly patriotic, are they? It also has the benefits of requiring so-called Poles to come to Poland.

To paraphrase Washington DC - "no representation without taxation" seems fair to me.

yes and if someone tried to take away your voting rights in scotland or whatever it is because u live abroad and choosing not to pay tax in your home country you would be indignant and crying..

what a hipocrite

Would I? Actually, I can't vote in Scottish elections - if you live abroad, you're automatically disqualified from voting. I won't even get to vote in the independence referendum.

So - you know - I was already stripped of my right to vote there. But I vote here instead, so - no big deal.


I'd consult a dictionary before insulting someone.

And you can't vote in British ones after year years out of the country (or did they change it to ten?).

they were wide off mark many times, too many for it to be coincidence ...


where did you dig up from such slogans -its pathetic that a grown man believe in such crap.


What about h1forcameron ? Do you want take away his right to vote too?


Hilarius Are you talking about yourself ?


you mean civil war in Poland? Well, why not,seems a only way to change Poland for better; the next step of PO plan - introduction of banana plantations in Poland.

Banana-land ?? wait sneaky baboon (pawian)!


Too much TV!

You certainly sound like a PiS supporter.


I don't own a TV. I read. It improves the mind.

crazy, is voting certain party a crime ?You think about that using your improved mind.:)

I can hold views free from political affiliations.


depends entirely on a reading material and the mind.


why, lets prohibit from voting anyone who isn't of noble heritage or hasn't served in military.

Fine with me.

Illogical nonsense with an insult thrown in. That's what I meant when I said you sound like a PiS supporter.


I'm not quite sure what you mean as what you write is unclear. If you mean something like, "You/your statement are/is crazy. Is voting for a certain party a crime?", then my answer is no, as far as I know, voting for a certain party is not a crime. I think, however, that you should be prohibited from voting because you are an American.