Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

Yes, it is outrageous.

I read a salon24 post yesterday - the author said about an example from her acquaintances - a girl who graduated political scienses though she was actually brain-washed against PiS in the course of her studies - after non being able to find work for one year and the half she's now suddenly a PiS supporter - the complete media and university brain-wash confronted with not-so-bright realities suddenly fail

Do you /does she really think that if PiS was in power now, she would find job more easily?

Sancta naivitas!

Let`s be frank - if PiS claims she and others would, they are lying to young Poles.

PiS in power have an array of strategies to follow - one can be involving people as much as possible in the matters of the state on every level - I am not saying this is what PiS is likely to do (on the contrary they are quite prone to elitism and partisanship themselves) but times change and if PiS forms government maybe it's gonna happen

You can't spin it anymore into "young people don't vote PiS", so you try to spin it into "yes but they are... uneducated", trully hilarious. Have you ever wondered why all these charts with division of voting prefferences by age group/area/education etc. disappeared from the mainstream media ? No ? I'll tell you why, becasue they don't fit the pro-PO stereotype anymore :)


Fascinating :)) I will have to print it and put on the wall in my office as I've got quite a few PO voters, who leaves exactly at 4PM and won't lift a finger until I force them to actually do something.


PO offers stability for public workers, heavily corporationed trades like lawyers, real estate people etc. and last but not least, for current pensioners, the whole OFE swindel was about stealing from young productive people and giving to pensioners. Bascially, it offers cozy and quite life for those affraid of competition from young and ambitious people. All typical young, well educated and ambitious young person in Poland can achieve right now is 10h a day behind the desk for 2500 PLN a month. If Facebook or Google founders had been living in Poland, they would have ended up working on payroll for 2000-3000 a month as their initiative would have been killed off by the system on a very early stage.

Now tell me that I don't live in Poland or that I'm jobless, please do.

BTW should be fun to watch all these ultra-feminists, trannies, "open gayes", fanatical Christianophobes, drug dealers, criminals and other freaks Tusk-made man Palikot is going to push into the Sejm. Finally Europe will be proud of "modern" Poland :)))

It is another lie by PiS. Everybody knows they are not able to promote individual involvement which would be fruitful for people and the state. Quite the opposite. What they do well is the ability to gather people for various crazy projects like a night torch march to the Presidential Palace.

involving people as much as possible in the matters of the state on every level

Maybe all is not lost! PiS appears set to win next Sunday's election. The latest Homo Homini party-preference poll by Homo Homini shows PiS wwith 29% and PO wtih 30% support. A forecast shows that PiS will win by a fraction of a percentage point.

Let's hope that Paliktists are too stupid to find out where the voting stations are, otherwise there will be Tusk/Palikot government even If PiS wins... I wonder If a tranny is going to get any position in the government, or a guy who employed in his "newspaper" a killer of Father Popiełuszko...

just seen an election ad by Palikot - he hits Tusk pretty hard ('Poland - a green island? - Don't believe Tusk') - Palikot is gonna take a lot of votes from SLD but also a serious amount from PO

I doubt it, to be honest - PiS, despite their claims of being for the workers, the poor, etc - have never really involved such people in any sort of decision making. Look at them even on local levels - it's all the educated elite that actually do things. I had a quick look through the PKW site for the education of their candidates in the last elections - and even in poor areas, it's all people with "higher" education.


Or because...there hasn't been an election to analyse such things? There was analysis after all the elections last year - what more do you expect?

And I never said that young people don't vote PiS - there are plenty of angry, uneducated young people who think that the world owes them a living. They have, and always will vote for such parties.


Are you sure they're PO voters, or are they perhaps PiS voters who won't admit to voting for them? Quite a few of them in Poland.


Strangely enough, you've just described PiS. PiS won't touch public workers (the State is Good, remember?) - they won't touch any corporations who support them, and they're all about stealing from workers to give to unproductive PiS voters. If they were so pro-business, where are their proposals to reform pensions to make them fairer to the current generation?


Ah yes, that's PiS in a nutshell - their support of big, inefficient State owned enterprises is exactly that.


If so, why do I know several people under the age of 30 who earn just under 10k a month working in finance? Why do I know plenty of people earning ridiculous good money in Warsaw under the same age? Heck, I know several guys who started their own business not so long ago who are pulling in 6-7k each a month - and I know several young people who earn 4-5k in "normal" jobs. Then again, they've all got one thing in common - they're willing to work for it instead of complaining that the State isn't providing for them.


It'll be funnier to watch PiS disintegrate after Kaczynski has his 14th electoral loss.


If they genuinely think PiS will protect them - they need to look at who makes up PiS. Where are the uneducated people? Where are the poor people? Eeemmm.


The anti-PiS opposition has 70% of the vote. Still a loss.

One thing is certain - the centre-left is going to win big in this election.


The way he's going, he could easily take up to 15% in this election - which would be shocking, but also a sign that many young people are fed up of "Solidarity moustache" politics. I know quite a lot of people who are thinking about voting for him, simply because they're sick of the same old Solidarity/PZPR dinosaurs.

Guys, let me tell you one thing: if it is rainy next Sunday, Palikot won`t win even one PM in Sejm. His supporters will stay home because they are not as determined as PiS or PO ones.

The forecast is optimistic. It is going to be chilly and rainy.

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Something I've just seen - what about the possibility of a PO-PiS coalition?

If the current poll is right, that means PiS and PO would have around 59% of the vote. Obviously, hardliners would never go into coalition with PO - but there are *plenty* of ordinary PiS members in local councils and suchlike who would have little to no objection to this.

Kaczynski and his sycophants would have to go - but that would still leave them with enough seats. Even in the Sejm, there are plenty of people who would much rather share power than sit in the cold for another 4 years - so - what about it?

So you believed in PO black PR that PiS people are damn village idiots with no education and when It turns out to be bullshit you blame PiS that It doesn't fit into that stereotype ? How dare they :)))



Oy vey ! Yes, we all know that it's PiS, which stole OFE money, increased employment in public administration by tens of thousand, did totally nothing for employers, has been running by far the largest public deficit ever with no realistic plans of reducing it to sensible level. It's all damn Kaczyński and now he wants to fool people into believing that Tusk has been the PM for the last 4 years :)))


Were I talking about 1 in a thousand cases ? Of course not, so please stop wasting the space with your "stories".


Kido, you have totally no clue about what's going on here, spare yourself shame and better be quite in moments like this one... the question is If this damn clown and his freaks will make 5% or not.

PiS themselves aren't village idiots - their supporters are. Actually, it shows that their supporters are manipulated by the educated elite who have no interest in actually empowering them - but we knew that already ;)

"Stole" money? Nothing was stolen - the contributions to the OFE scheme were cut.

As for the increase in public administration - so what? It's resulting in better public services.

Nothing for employers? No, they just provided a stable platform on which to do business. Nothing much, no.


Yawn. The money is there if you're willing to work for it. Of course, most PiS voters want the flat screen televisions, the cars, the foreign holidays, the houses, the lot - without actually working for it.


No clue? Given that he's gone from 2.5% to 9% in the spate of a few days, anything is possible.

At the end of the day, we're going to laugh in your face repeatedly next Sunday/Monday after PiS loses yet again. I look forward to watching Kaczynski's humiliating resignation.

No words :)))

No words?

Tell us, do you think PiS would actually fire them? Hahahaha.

hehehe and PO did nothing all these 4 years but empowering 'people' heheh - and the final accord was played when they very much restricted public access to information about state issues (because they are 'strategically important') - and hmm Mr President, let him live forever had a chance to turn the new bill into Trybunał Konstytucyjny which he didn't (looks like they all meant it to conceal this and that, and other 'vulnerable' data) - btw there was a case of a public interest group who wanted details about a strogly marketed PO government programme called 'Anticoruption shield' - they went through all instances of courts in Poland and every court supported their demand - to no avail - never received any information on the project - the Government and Tusk himself just didn't wanna share and held Polish courts verdicts (actually orders) for nothing

Yes. but he will never do it. Even if Tusk makes the first move and gives up heading the government, Kaczynski will cling to whatever power he will gain at all cost.

thanks to Palikot and PJN there is a possibility PiS can form their own government if they win about 40 per cent votes - what I expect is very much trouble during the election day including plenty of police interventions - because of PiS observers in electoral commisions on various levels (and the interpretation of the law PKW - National Electoral Committee has issued - I guess PiS very much disagrees with that PKW's interpretation)

a couple of weeks after the elections can be very heated

The possibilities are endless - my own feeling is that we'll see Palikot deliberately abstain from the vote of confidence on the Prime Minister - thus giving PO the victory while allowing Palikot to claim the moral high ground.

My own feeling is that even if PiS manage to hit 40% somehow (unlikely, their support is going nowhere - they've sat at around 30% for ages) - we'll see the other parties agree to keep PiS out of power, even if they win the most seats. Can you honestly see the SLD and Palikot allowing Jaroslaw Kaczynski to take power? It would seem more likely that we'd see them agree to return Tusk to the Premiership in exchange for some legislation being passed.

But I still think there's a possibility that Kaczynski will quit (or more accurately, be pushed out) in exchange for PiS regaining some power. I just cannot see him surviving this election.


What do you mean? (I don't know the story)

It'll be interesting to see if the electoral silence law is enforced this time round - PiS especially should be careful considering Palikot's past history of pulling them up on it.

Interesting PO advert here -

(English : it's a video showing football hooligans and the "Defenders of the Cross" using violence - and reminding voters that those people will vote - in essence, linking PiS to violence, which is true anyway)

Simply because It doesn't exist.

if PiS win around 42 per cent votes and Palikot and PJN win just below 5 per cent then PiS is almost sure to have the parliamentary majority


you completely miss the mood in PiS camp - in the party and among the supporters - the PiS campaign is very well thought of there, Jarosław Kaczyński seems back to his reason - so his leadership is hardly threatened - noone serious in PiS camp will be greatly disappointed if PiS will not be able to enter government - anyway PiS has what I think the most hardcore electorate (not all definitely but a high percentage (like slightly over 50 per cent - I belong there too)- for many people PiS stands for things they value a lot in politics like noone else


yes, PiS stands for violence - they all have black shirts in their closets (I do too) - they all have conspiracy ranks (the colour of your mohair beret reveals this though to the insiders :P ) - I'm just a private and as a private I'm allowed to go bare-headed in public - when our leader decides that the election results are unsatisfactory we will storm police offices by surprise and take the power - we have our people in the army too - you are all doomed you faint-hearted liberals :) heh

Well, that would require them to score the highest ever in a modern Polish election (as far as I can see - the record is held by PO's 2007 result - 41.5%) - and nothing is showing any possibility of it. But you are right - if Palikot, PJN and the PSL all fail to get 5%, we could see the ridiculous situation of both PO and PiS winning a large percentage of seats, while the tiny SLD would be able to play kingmaker.


But will PiS really tolerate 3 years in the political wilderness? This election is their "last chance" so to speak - there's now nothing until 2014 - which would be a very long time in opposition.


See - maybe it's just me, but looking at Polish politics since 1991, it seems that parties doomed to opposition tend to fall apart quickly. I just can't see many of the rank-and-file tolerating Kaczynski staying the leader after another loss - they will want someone that can win elections, not someone who comes constantly in 2nd place.


Undeniably so. They've done a fantastic job of getting around 25% of the population to be firmly behind them no matter what - much more so than any other party.


haha ;)

No, in all seriousness - one major failing of PiS was to not put a stop to these people quickly and effectively. I still cannot understand why Kaczynski embraced them - they were/are one big obstacle to PiS ever winning power. A tiny minority of football fans and extremists will bring few votes - but will lose plenty of centrist voters who could be swayed into voting for PiS.

My prediction - we will see a 'new' PiS thrive after this election. They'll lose again, people will get sick of Kaczynski and his sycophants - and we will see a takeover by more 'centrist' PiS types who will follow a more peaceful path. The policies won't change, but the battle talk and extremism will go. Poland desperately needs a strong "Catholic-Socialist" type party - not one that spends its time indulging in stupid witchhunts and suchlike. I hope, for the sake of Polish politics, it will happen.

Gie mi some PiS. On second thoughts, don't. These faces on billboards are really beginning to irritate me. Get this circus over with as they are almost all tos*ers.

Couldn't agree more. Let's be thankful we don't live in the U.S.
In the last parliamentary election there was a billboard the size of a freight train with the image of a PiS candidate who was clearly, going by the picture, in the terminal stages of chronic alcoholism. I had to walk or drive past this horrible thing for months. Now, the same poor bastard has his board up in the same place, but I must admit it looks better. Hurrah for photoshop.

LOL, another top post there, teflcat :) Smug, clean-shaven wan&ers are not my thing at all. Best left with a heavy lead weight attached to their foot and thrown into a river ;)

it will be however very comfortable time for PiS as an oppostion - as Poland will almost inevitably crumble under another PO government for a couple of reasons which are paralell to some intrinsics of PO (the energy bills of most Poles will probably grow by a half (or even double) starting already some time in the middle of 2012) - there is gonna be chaos, and outcry around the EURO 2012 (not enough hotel rooms, no motorways to connect the hosting cities, other roads highly congested), then there is growing debt which will need even higher taxes (like 25 per cent VAT), some desperate moves (like introducing taxes on real estate based on their value (like a government body can know what is a market value of a property - it will be evident after a year or so how devastating it is and will be seen as very unjust) - businesses closing because of high energy cost (CO emission based on an natural gas benchmark)

- actually another 4 (quite doubtful if it's gonna take the whole 4 years) of PO in power means that we will be hearing of PO no more - for some people PO stands for stability (however false/illusionary the stability is - many people just fall for the illusion -and PO are just buying time) - what we're gonna have the next couple of years is something completely different to stability

so yes Jarosław Kaczyński and PiS can take next couple years as an opposition - it's a guaranteed way to eliminate PO from political scene - sure there will be some offspring - like Palikot - many poeple will also choose a soft-PiS (PJN if they survive these years - they will if they manage to get over 3 per cent and receive the state funding for their party - then they can also join forces with other small right-wing parties like Korwin-Mikke followers and Marek Jurek party for the next elections)

As long as PiS didn't ban kebabs here, I'd tolerate them ;)

Poland will never crumble.

I tend to agree but it depends how big a dunt certain outside forces want to hit it.