Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

Is there much opportunity for teachers to be corrupt these days?

(I suppose oral language exams are one area...)

I totally disagree, family members should not be employed as point of principle: that is the code of conduct in the UK and Australia, and I totally agree with it. Politics is not for those wanting to feather their own nests, it's about helping others not your family members.


Maybe, but it is public money. If she had owned a private business she could hire who the hell she wanted, but with public money it's a different matter for obvious reasons.

Corruption happens at various school based competitions where teachers promote their favourite participants to get to the second or third stage. I saw it and was disgusted. I am going to talk to one young female teacher about it. And it isn`t about money, just unfair preferences of a teacher.

Brilliant, I like her. Pretty women to polish parliament!!
Check on youtube "Kinga Więzowska"
Karate girl!!!

Jerry, are you Kinga`s boyfriend or husband? If so, congratulations!

Guys, a concise presentation of parties is here:

Major: PO and PiS
thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/55905,Polish-Election-2011-made-simple-Part-1

Medium: SLD and PSL
thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/56008,Polish-Election-2011-made-simple-%E2%80%93-Part-2

Sofa size: PJN, RPP, PPP:
thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/56078,Election-2011-made-simple-%E2%80%93-Part-3

Which party is the most populistic?

Yesterday I heard such estimates:
(Rough numbers)
After getting power, and fulfilling their election promises,

PJN will cost Polish budget 53 billion PLN
SLD - 10
PiS - 6.8

PO - 300 million

Other than nationalistic wierdos, these days, does ANYONE actually take PiS seriously? really?

Well, they are hugely popular among the Catholic worker-moustache crowd.

It's hilarious how socialist they are - their manifesto even mentions "The State as a common good". Straight from the PZPR guidebook on "good communism", circa 1951.

They are flaming socialists in all but name, they should just come out and admit it. Sadly their voters do not know what socialism is.

It looks as though Platforma is haemorrhaging to Ruch Palikota, but on the actual day, I doubt that Palikot's supporters will actually turn out to vote. Hopefully the turn out is going to be somewhere in the mid-fifties.

It's a dirty word for their supporters, yet when you look at what they support (moustached trade unionists et al) - it's clearly obvious that it's socialism they want. Then again - many of their supporters *do* want a return to the days of subsidised flats, subsidised cars, subsidised holidays, subsidised child care and so on. It was a mundane, but predictable existence. Nowadays of course, no-one wants to hire some moustache to do a repetitive job that can be done by a robot without the whining and complaining.

has anyone noticed more posters, poster thingys stuck to railings and lamp posts.

well, in wroclaw a lot of them have been ripped/pulled down/smashed.

maybe i'll provide evidence in the form of a photo a little later.

I thought you would enjoy this moving moment.

over 30 per cent of the Polish population do


what should a state be then if not a commong good - a common evil? - a good of the few? -

I see that the anti PiS retoric by some is still flourishing on here. Mainly delphiandomine, but not only.

I was reading a chart not too long ago on which demographics of Poland vote for which party. The western half of Poland, and many big cities, vote for Tusk. Most people who vote for Kaczynski are the poor old people in eastern Poland. I highly doubt many youth in Poland vote for PiS.

Fortunately, PO has its conservative wing, so other Catholics, without moustaches, can vote that party.
PS. I once used to wear moustache. For many years. :):):):)


Nope. It is SLD that is bleeding and losing votes. Today`s polls - Palikot Movement - 7%. SLD - 6%. Incredible losses!


Yes, indeed. They are everywhere.


Nothing like that in Krakow.


And that`s sad. After all, people are people and should have a chance to get bread from their work. The money they earn will be spent on consumption which makes the world go round. And what consumption does an industrial robot have? :):):)


They went to get more votes among angry fishermen who have to pay gigantic fines to EU for overfishing cod a few years ago. SLD leaders demand the government to pay those fines.


Over or below, who knows?


The political stance of PF posters perfectly reflects the real preferences before elections. PiS supporters are less numerous than PO ones.

However, you are warmly invited to take part in bashing PO and backing up PiS here.

It will make our discussions more vivid.

At least how it reads in English - anyone suggesting that the State is for the "common good" - it simply reads as if the State knows best, which we all know is utter crap in Poland in many cases. The Ministries of Education/Higher Education being an excellent point.


It's not quite so simple, for instance, plenty of poor young people will vote PiS all over Poland. And PiS have done a fantastic job of getting support from the "kiboli" - with the slight problem that the behaviour of such people tends to put off centrist voters even more - who decide elections everywhere.

Polish politics really does seem to boil down (right now) into two groups of people - those with a future, and those without hope.

Even if PiS wins, they won`t be able to help those who already lost hope. Nobody is. Sad, but true.

Out of pure curiosity: will the thread be closed on Saturday and Sunday to conform to pre-vote election silence rule?

Admins/mods, what do you think?

Oh you'd be surprised. That it what PO wants you to think but there a lot of young peep in Poland who support PiS and not they are not all from Toruń. I would say the younger generation who does go for PO are those who like to have a good time, do not care a whole lot about the country [i.e they'll live anywhere as long as they have a nice life] and think PO is cool, hip and 'in the now' because they like to play football and 'have a laugh' sometimes.

As for an ealier post I saw about how PiS only has 'psycho' people who vote for them, why is it that if you are a patriot and stand up for your beliefs, you're proud of the country, want it to be prosperous and are perhaps slightly suspicious of neighbours, who have in the past, done bad things to you, you are seen as a 'nacjonalista' and 'extremist?'

That's the sad part. There's nothing PiS can do for people that won't help themselves.


Screw that, I hate that rule. :(


There are a lot of uneducated young people who fall for the stuff that PiS says - who don't have the education to understand that PiS will do next to nothing because there simply isn't the money to do so. They fall for the slogans that Kaczynski uses - of course they do, it's attractive to a young person who doesn't work/isn't a student to hear that things will be better under PiS. Of course, the truth is that PiS will utterly ignore them - how many uneducated young people 'made it' under the last PiS government? Now - compare to the rapid rise of the former boss of TVP, for instance.


My God, you really don't know much about Poland if you think that. PO voters tend to be the ones who put a lot of effort into themselves - people who are willing to work long hours to get ahead in life, as well as studying hard - and sure, they party hard too, but they usually work for it. They don't blame the country, in fact, they're willing to work hard to achieve in spite of the State.

PO has never been "hip, cool and 'now'" - it merely offered stability and a future for young people who were ambitious. These people didn't want to live in a country where witchhunts and nepotism ruled.


These people aren't patriots. Perhaps you don't see it in the UK, but these people are often the least patriotic people - after all, they were screaming unpatriotic abuse about the Prime Minister and the President, they were openly calling for a coup d'etat, they were willing to hurt Polish interests to push their own agenda - and very often, they are/were quite happy to falsely claim disability benefits while working illegally.

These people also want it to be prosperous, but they want other people to do the hard work for them. They aren't interested in knuckling down and working hard - they want to be able to go to work for 8 hours in an easy job and get a flat, a car, holidays - everything. PO voters are the exact opposite - they want it, but they know that they need to work for it.

Incidentally - as for PiS themselves - many of them are simply opportunists who are taking advantage of their voters. Ask yourself - how many people of humble peasant background are in the Sejm from PiS, and how many are actually lawyers and suchlike?

that might be because a lot of us finished secondary school and do not want to see Poland turned into a Catholic Taliban state
funny that...

However, I don`t want to see Poland turned into an Atheist Taliban state, either. :):):)

a very valid point. without the church I doubt that there would still be a Poland
Just tell them to stick their beaks out of politics and keep their rosaries away from the ovaries

They're only hurting themselves by getting involved in politics to such a degree - especially as even PiS are showing that they will only respect the part of the church that agrees with them. Hardly the recipe for a bright future.

they are hurting themselves far more by raping children

I was speaking to some Irish friends who told me that the Catholic church in Ireland is finished

I reserve my right to abuse PIS at whatever time i feel like it(:

I think Polish church isn`t as corrupt as the Irish one.

That is why so many people in Poland still support it and parties which display anti-religious stance can expect no more than 10% votes.


Spare them from time to time, show some Christian mercy. :):):)

I do not think that corruption was necessarily the problem in Ireland
it was the fact that the church set out to cover up paedophilia
if you were caught raping a choir boy in Cork, then you could expect to
get sent to Canada. if you got caught raping a child in Canada, you got
sent to Africa

the recruiting slogan ought to have been 'fu(k a kid and see the world'

there are paedos in all walks of life, however when the employers are
covering it up, then that is utterly shameful

As I said in my earlier post, without the church in Poland, there probably would not be a Poland
and without the work of JPII the wall would have not come down

I just do not feel comfortable when the church sticks its nose into politics irrespective of denomination

Morally corrupt is what I meant.


Yes, I can agree. Give ceasar what is caesar's and God what is God's :):):):)

Depends on whether you're talking about pre-89 or post-89 - I can think of quite a few cases where they've been utterly morally bankrupt in recent times, usually involving large sums of money.

oh fair enough

you are quite right

strangely enough I can cope with the church syphoning off a couple of quid here and there
as it is more or less universal - look at US TV evangelists
but as soon as kids start getting interfered with then that is completely beyond the pale
and then when the guys at the top start offering known paedophiles jobs in other
countries then that is an entirely different ballpark