Poland Parliament elections in October 2011

I think he probably soon realised that while giving laptops to children is easy, getting the teachers to use them for teaching are an entirely different story.

I think he just made cheap promises for the sake of the promises (or for the sake of filling the media with PO generated news) - the same probably goes to his anouncement in 2008 that Poland will adapt eurocurrency in 2011 - to me this looked instantly like a pure PR-stunt - polls showed that people most people wanted euro (most never realize what it can actually mean) - and the media were suddenly full of it - now Tusk shows off the green island on the map of Europe but will he ever admit that it is mostly thanks to keeping the PLN zloty? - well he actually probably will - most people in Poland have a short memory when it comes to politics unless they are bombarded with a message constantly (that's what you need media for)

I don't think Tusk ever bothered himself with thinking what would be the use of 'a personalised laptop for every kid' - it just sounded so cool and slick - just as the euro thing

PiS deputy chairman, Z. Ziobro, said today that PSL is a natural coalition partner for the future PIS government. He also added that he expects that PO, after losing the elections, will break into smaller fractions, some of which might join the PiS government.

Very funny.


I hope so. :):):)

It's hilarious, because they've already managed to thoroughly **** off the PSL by calling them names (not the way to treat potential coalition partners!), Pawlak's no idiot - and anyway, PSL voters tend to be quite clued up and wouldn't approve of coalition with PiS anyway. Not to mention that moustaches don't tend to agree with farmers anyway. - and I suspect PSL voters will remember how Solidarity were somewhat cold towards the villages and towns.


Can you say "delusional"?

It would seem that the opposite is more likely - for the last few years, there's always been "next elections" to look forward to. After this one, there's nothing until 2014 - 3 years is a long time to spend in the political wilderness. PiS already started to break up - will they really stick together if Kaczynski refuses to quit after another loss? Especially as PO isn't afraid to give high profile positions to defectors...

PiS need to stop talking about all this "what ifs" and concentrate on what they actually stand for. But I guess - as they can't say "socialist", they're kinda ******.

I'm convinced the 2005 centrist PiS would beat PO in this election. But this version? No chance.

From the same article -


We just don't mention the CAP, do we? We also don't mention structural funds which paid to renovate many, many places - or perhaps he's forgotten about all the money that's pouring in?

I can think of one great example in rural Poland. I know a village, which had absolutely nothing except a bank and a post office. Nothing else at all. No cultural stuff, nothing. Then the EU turned up, and now, the village is full of things - for instance, a load of new computers to provide public internet access. Would they really have been bought, given that the village is poor and pathetic, if it wasn't for EU projects?

Perhaps you are right. Maybe i should follow Kaczynski's flaming torches (pohodnie) to lighten the way, so I can see a bit further into the distance. Wait a minute wasn't there once a guy who was a huge fan of torches-I think his name starts with an H?

Hippocrates? He used pine torches to heal lung diseases?

lol. I am thinking of somebody a bit more recent.

OK, the guy with a silly moustache. :):)

The campaign news: Donald Tusk, The Prime Minister, is taking an active part in his party`s campaign. He rides on his Bus Force One around Poland and meets people.

Poland Premier bus

Anybody can come and talk to him about their problems.

Also opponents come.



We are treated as inferior citizens - said Donald Tusk supporters who came to the meeting the Prime Minister of entrepreneurs in Korycinie ( Podlasie ) . - My in the head so as not to violate the rights of those who behave OK - said the head of government, but pointed out that in the interest of the fans should be eliminating those who carry out crimes in the stadiums . - I do not go with a machete and do not dilerki drugs, and you well know that such events take place. We need to eliminate - the Prime Minister said.

See how Tusk is working the crowd of football fans who bear a grudge against his government for making law much stricter for football hooligans.

The guy has the balls, don`t you think?

Why do they have so much...anger in their faces?

Always thought that if they put half as much effort into actually opposing rather than writing rants online and launching stupid protests, they'd be in a far better place.

That is the least of their problems, the fact that they have stupidity written all over their faces is more of a serious problem. As for the guy with the Ireland Shirt-there is no way I wold want Poland to resemble Ireland at this point in time. To borrow a Polish phrase, they look like "głupie bydło które morde krzyczy" you can substitute bydło with knury or ziemniaki. I hate this agression that has cret into Polish politics, which will contradict my next sentence which is, if i were Tusk, whilst speaking to them i would have an image of myself splitting a saber on their thick oval skulls-because they are the type of stubborn morons that will never mentally develop.

does anybody else share my feeling or is it only me {blushes}


Yes that is the one(:
I think it is really brave of Tusk, and hopefully it will pay off. It takes a lot of stamina, I think after only three meetings like this, and he would feel physically and mentally exhausted-the nervous strain must be unbearable. This is not something a person of a nervous disposition can do.

sarcasm, or this is how you really think. I know Pawian is sarcastic in his posts.Or maybe not.

What I like about Tusk is the fact that he is calm and he talks about problems and know how to handle situations and most of all, he know how to control his emotions. PiS is just the opposite- a very emotional party and it plays on people's emotions. Tusk plays on rationality.

Not at all and not in all. Only in 87% of them.
My total posts: 3,658. How many are serious, then?

too early in the morning for math;). Haven't had my second coffee.

What I cannot understand is why Kaczynski has embraced them - it really makes me wonder if his "advisors" are not deliberately destroying him so they can take power for themselves. These people are very much a tiny minority - and even ordinary village PiS voters will not be impressed with cosying up with football hooligans. Certainly, in Krakow - anyone who votes PiS there is going to be rather annoyed with embracing of hooligans - simply because they have one of the worst rivalries in Europe in Krakow.

But then again, I don't doubt that if PiS wins power (somehow) - the hooligans will be 'dealt' with. And unlike Tusk, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaczynski just went straight for the kill.

Come on, it has been exaggerated by the media. Many of my students are football fans and they are normal intelligent guys. The tough ruffians are minority. :):):):)

I am not so sure, that would be suggesting that they possess a bit of intellectual acuity, which i just don't believe they have. To mix my metaphors, i think that they like a desperate man who is drowning and willing to grab hold of any short term political advantage, no matter how stupid it is in the broader perspective. They are going about the country trying to set everything to light, that is their only tactic and that is the only thing they are capable of.

And that silly woman Gilowska, is still hurting after being caught out by the media for nepotism, that is the only reason why she is siding with Kaczynski.

hehehe hihihi nepotism - there was a serious competition for PO leadership in Lublin area - and thanks to exaggerated nepotism accusations Palikot won - Mrs Gilowska hired her son and her son's spouse mainly because they were bright and educated people and really prepared to work in a MP office - then Gilowska became one of the best finance ministers in the last 20 years (in PiS+coalition government) - this is what Kaczyński was about a couple of years ago - he gathered many honest poeple who wanted to work for Poland

Whatever you say about her, one thing is sure - she looks, speaks, sounds and behaves like an arrogant bytch. PiS is "lucky" to have more of them in their ranks. Is Kaczyński able to attract only such monsters, instead of real women? :):):):):)

There are a few young PiS pretties lately, though, but they are temporary decorations and will be dumped after elections.

I wonder how much my abhorrence of PiS as a political party is of physical nature. Probably the way most of them look and speak plays a great role for me, because whenever I see and hear them, I get sick.

Obama catches flies with his own hand but Tusk is more elegant - he uses a paper and the nproudly announces - I saved your cheese.

What does the Prime Minister between successive meetings with voters ? The platform has released video from inside Tuskobusa where Donald Tusk newspaper hunting for flies.

Tuskobus rides and "on foot " takes
" Rideshare" PO staff had not informed exactly when the Prime Minister arranged the hunt, but the context of the conversation can be concluded that the action takes place between the meeting with the producers of cheese in Korycinie , and meeting with publicans in the Forge in Podlasie .

Nepotism is the opposite of honesty, seems like your moral compass is askew.

On Monday, a trailer of a documentary movie "The Leader", about Jarosław Kaczyński, has been shown. Prof. Jadwiga Staniszkis has this to say about the hero of the the movie: " He is a true fighter".

Fair enough. I dedicate this translation of an old ballad to the "Fighter" and all his court of PF-evangelists who had been valiantly bombarding us with their pro-PIS propaganda for the last two weeks. I wish the elections were already over.

A ballad of a terrible carnage
by Andrzej Waligórski, from a repertoire of Tadeusz Chyła
("Ballada o straszliwej rzezi")

Prince Toddler bent the grating,
Cut the curtains with sword,
Entered the chamber of mating,
And found a lover aboard.

He cried in anger: - Holly fart!
Then pounded the rival in bed,
And cut off the offending part,
But first of all his head.

Hey, he cut it off - hear, hear!
But first of all his head...

Then he took a cruel view,
Of his unfaithful wife,
And yelled: - I will cut yours too!
And he cut short her life.

But seeing him going nuts,
They were all in dread,
That he was after more cuts,
So they all had fled.

Hey, they all had fled - hear, hear!
So they all had fled ...

Lord Steward crawled under the table,
Lord Cupbearer ran to the cellars,
Lord Equerry hid in stables,
They were all scared fellows.

Great Hetman hid in the basin
Pretending to be a pike,
But after them the Prince hastened,
Still angry and eager to strike.

Hey, angry and eager - hear, hear!
Still angry and eager to strike...

He growled: - What, are you afraid?
(He thought of all their vices),
And as he waved his blade,
He had them minced to slices.

He stood up, rested his thud,
Wiped the sweat with his cloak,
He sees - there's so much blood,
He could have swum breaststroke.

Hey, he could have - hear, hear!
He could have swum breaststroke...

Here comes the end of the ballad,
All is razed down to the stump,
But one still needs to add,
A punch line - the singer's trump.

No! No punch line will be given,
You ask for it in vain,
Because - by being so hate driven,
He cut it too, insane.

Hey, he cut it too - hear, hear!
He cut it too, insane...

I think you made a mistake, I am pretty sure that the title of the documentary is "Our Dear Leader And The Long March".

hiring a son and his spouse in one's MP office is not nepotism in my view simple as that - the people hired by an MP are not on a state wage but are paid by the MP - go figure (it was just blunt fight for power in Lublin PO as far as I know)

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyta_Gilowska (there is passage about the alleged nepotism)

here's another article on Gilowska and her departure from PO and the so called 'nepotism'

Kaczyski claims that PiS internal polls (already 3) prove that they are ahead of PO.

Even if it is true, which I seriously doubt as naive propaganda of success, I must say: PiS government wouldn`t have done better in economy than PO government in the years 2007-2011. Of course, we can always say that they could do more. But that would be infair, knowing the global situation.

One great advantage of PO rule: no witch hunts, no special services employed to track down innocent people, no repressions for those who oppose PiS and their manic leader.

It's Nepotism pure and simple, so I guess I am not surprised to see you supporting PIS-whose members have quite questionable moral values to say the least.

Staffers working in an MP's office are paid by the taxpayer, and not the MP. I worked in an MP's office here in Auss-and my wage was paid by the department of Treasury and finance. I am 100% sure that is the case in Poland as well.

And not only that according to the articles you provided she also tried to have her son get the number 1 ticket in her region, that's truly disgusting nepotism.

No necessarily. If the wife/son in question have the skills, experience and qualifications to do the job, I see nothing wrong with it. It's even possible to argue that they should get the job over slightly better qualified candidates as the relationship the employer has with them is very much a known quantity and so there is no risk of personality clash (those tend not to come out during an interview).

which innocent people do you mean? is there a point of tracking down innocent people? don't you think it costs an extra effort?

if you mean Barbara Blida then read this: polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/435637,pograzyly-go-zeznania-slaskiej-alexis-henryk-dyrda-skazany,id,t.html and this: (Henryk Dyrda apperas in both cases).

btw Barbara Blida did not intend to commit suicide as Ryszard Kalisz revealed - she just wanted to non-fataly hurt herself and probably play an innocent persecuted person: - she used so called non-penetrating ammunition - but must have been not thoroughly informed because it appears even that kind of ammo can kill when the muzzle of a gun touches the body as in this case


I may be wrong but as far as I can gather an MP in Poland just receives money for the maintenance of his/her office including hiring of the stuff - so instead of hiring staff he can well spend it on some plasma for his office - Gilowska never was questioned about it by the Sejm regulatory bodies so what she did was not against the law - I presume from that it is the responsibility of an MP to hire and pay the wages of his staff (from the money drawn from Sejm/the state - I never meant she paid her staff including her son and his wife (who actually got to know each other at work in the office and only married thereafter) from her own money (it's pretty impossible for the majority of Polish MP's save for the figures like Palikot - btw ask Palikot if his parliamentary staff were paid by him or by the Sejm)

Don`t you know the case of Jan Podgórski, a famous neurosurgeon, who was witch hunted by PiS gendarmes during the secret operation White Uniforms directed against physicians??

Don`t you know that PiS henchmen did their best to destroy the career of that innocent man because they needed a spectacular success to boast of in the media? They accused him of 17 cases of bribery, fraud and false medical statements, but everything turned out complete rubbish in court and the professor was acquitted.

Read about it:


I know it, and you do too. But can you explain it to PiS maniacs?

Do you know that the witch hunt which PiS organised in hospitals cost about 300 people their lives? People who weren`t operated because their doctors were in detention.

You can explain it until you're blue in the face, just as you can continually tell a hyperactive child to sit quietly. Doesn't really sink in though.

if you read through the article serious doubts arise as to truthfulness of some witnesses (the passage with Barbara T.) during the trial - "nie wiem dlaczego opowiadałam takie głupoty" - "I don't know why I have said such rubbish" - while her testimony given in the investigation was pretty detailed one

other witnesses (Andrzej Z. "Słowik") refused to testify before court - why?

I am not convinced at all prof. Podgórski is clean as a teardrop

next passage 'za zaświadczenie do sądu Jarosław R. wręczył mi 400 złotych w kopercie". Ze słowami "Nie wiem co pan doktor pije. Proszę sobie samemu coś kupić". Nie wiem, dlaczego wziąłęm te pieniądze". heh nie wiem dlaczego wziąłem te pieniądze - quite telling about Polish medical circles - another point is Jarosław R. is missing - maybe already dead -

now I tell you what an ordinator told my mom who offered him 200 or 300 złotych (in 1996 - we couldn't afford anything more at that moment) in a neurosurgical ward in a hospital in Bytom to 'encourage' him to make skull and brain surgery on my late uncle - he said more or less something like: Z 200 złotymi to wie co sobie pani może zrobić? - You know what you can do with 200 złoty (I can't remember if it was 200 or 300 złoty (it definitely was not more)) - I heard it with my own ears


EDIT: I'm sorry - I have attributed the 400 złoty situation to prof Podgórski while it was doctor Ryszard J. who admitted to taking it - yes I am prejudiced against medical circles

Well, some doctors can be really greedy bastards. But are they all like that? I don`t believe it. Just like teachers - there are decent and corrupt ones.

What PiS tried to do was to put them all into one category of thieves, frauds and bribe takers. That was really harmful, as I told you that 300 patients paid for that mania with their lives.

The Polish saying goes: pour out the bath water with the baby inside.


Ok, hasty mistake, never mind.