Polish Parents protest against Poland's pro-homo sex education

Now as far as stupid statements go, that one takes the biscuit. The issue is very complex and at the moment (you wouldn't know this) is a hot topic of debate in Poland with several points of view - most of them far less simplistic and ignorant than yours. The current protest about social education in schools by Nycz and his obsessives is about imposing one particular paradigm rather than a more rounded education.


The issue there is how many perpetrators (who admitted it to their superiors) were quietly spirited away and allowed to re-offend, and how many crimes were admitted in the so-called confession and never reported by the person who heard them. Proper sex education would at least tell kids that 'stranger danger' may not be from a stranger, but from a priest, monk, nun or catechist as well.


Sadly yes.

There's nothing complex about ii at all. For some confused homo maybe.

Those two sentences contradict each other as blatantly as the sentiments behind them contradict reality.

Now in terms of eloquent and non-judgemental replies, that must come fairly low down the scale. Unfortunately for you, we in Poland have been having something of a debate on this issue over the last couple of years and you are not only too late to appreciate what has gone before, but (as those two bigoted posts show) way below the required level of discourse to be worth listening to.

There is however one overriding fact - that educationalists in Poland do know what they're talking about, are sensitive to the various shades of opinion within Polish society and the wider European framework and the social, gender and sex education now available takes that into account - there is simply nothing whatsoever controversial, except perhaps the lack of accurate and detailed information.

This crowd of placard-waving crazies on the demonstration are, as you, entirely ignorant of the issues and probably of quite a lot else.

I don't think you understand what "gender" means in the Polish political context. It's an artificial construct that was invented by the RCC as some sort of "threat" to Polish society. It has nothing to do with "male" or "female".


Nothing complex?

Go on then. Please post an articulate definition in the "Polish" section of exactly what the "gender ideology" is.

Placard-waving crazies crawl out of the woodwork in time for the "Pride" (in being a pervert) parades. Some freak shows those are!

Yes, with bible quotes etc. Nobody pays attention to them, rather like this recent mini-protest.

I'm sure everyone will agree on the principle that parents have the right to supervise education of their children or in fact educate them themselves.

Well, people can home school if they want, or set up a school of their own provided it maintains certain standards (and these do include social education). Individual parents cannot however force their will on the educators - following that daft logic, a parent could interfere with the whole curriculum on the basis of their whims.

If only we could see ourselves as others see us. Some might consider someone who is apparently obsessed with homosexuality and with waving a three thousand-year-old book to be a freak.


Absolutely. Including those who do not want their children indoctrinated.

No, they don't. Again, stop applying American logic to Poland.

In Poland, education is supervised by the Ministry of Education, not by parents. They do not have the right to educate children themselves, but rather only by agreement.

The right to agree? That sounds a lot like Stalin, Hitler and the homo lobby -- argee with us or else!

And rightly so - this has always been the case. Poland has a rich history of education being organised on a national level, right back to the Eighteenth Century Komisja Edukacji Narodowej.

Needless to say, right from the start it was always more progressive than a small but scorchingly vocal group of ultra-conservative fundamentalists would wish. The vast majority do not kvetch as these cranks do. They can always go off and form a school of their own, provided they adhere to the appropriate standards.

Am just back from some shopping in Warsaw Centrum area and there is now in front of Centrum metro station a petition to be signed against State funds for religion in school. It's about time to stop financing kids' brainwashing.

@Atch: when I say "a lot" considering the 2 some thousands of years of catholicism, yes, it means "a lot" of nuns. I am not taliking only about 2015 ;). And how many priests are fathers? Taboo does not change facts.

That follows on from the centralised education ideals of the I RP and the II RP - Poland has no local traditions of education like the failed American system. The prevailing wisdom right now is that centralised education is the reason why Finland, Poland et al are enjoying success, while the decentralised British, American et al systems are failing.

I suggest you better clean you filthy mind and mind your language! All you do here is gossiping without a single fact to support your claims. You are the one who is obsessed with the Church. You are in fact so tolerant that you are tolerating only your own opinion and opinion of those who agree with you.


Are you against pride parades and public debate about homosexual "rights"?


Are you labeling parents concerned with their children education bigots? Not very nice or for that matter not very tolerant attitude either.

Exactly, and the system is a success. Some small groups like that tiny bunch of placard-wavers are motivated by religious fundamentalism to believe that they are always right. That their particular view has divine inspiration. Never mind common sense, logic, expert analysis, tried and tested research - this means nothing to them as long as it conflicts with their prejudice.

A shame educationalists have to deal with this sort of thing.

It is a success in some areas, but there is still some way to go, I believe. Everybody I have ever talked to about the tradition in the UK of dropping weak subjects at sixteen in order to concentrate on strong subjects for A levels thinks it's a good idea. In Poland kids are overloaded with work.

I can understand that people are unhappy with such a totalitarian practice, leftover of the soviet era.

Quite - although the improvement in education is discernible despite it lagging behind in sex education, ethics, civics etc. One issue is the lack of accurate league tables although that can of course work the other way.

Re. homeschooling/sex education/social education, the Polish state is right to strictly control it. We do not want the problems they sometimes have in America with homeschooled kids being thoroughly indoctrinated and unprepared for the outside world.

@Roger; yes, overloaded and what strikes me is that they don't learn to be critical, to analyze things (no philosophy, no sociology.... for instance in lyceum). All they do is to memorize like parrots (probably the results of communism or good little soldiers). I have quite a few Polish kids around me (from both public and state schools, all grades) so I know what they do in school.

I know an American guy who taught in a so called '"international" school in Warsaw and since he dealt with 12th graders, he often organized debates on various topics as part of his ESL lessons. The guy had a hard time and it took him a few months before the kids got the idea. Polish kids are not taught to express personal opinions... What they had with the American guy was brand new to them.

All they do in school is to memorize...

Perfect parrots!

The problem there is that the decision makers (i.e., the centrist 30-40 somethings) think that it's a good idea for kids to have a "general education". It's based on the pre-war ideals, and also indirectly influenced by the PRL ideals too.


Wrong. It's a practice that started way back with the establishment of the KEN in 1773. Education in Poland has always been very centralised, even in the II RP when the country was so varied ethnically and economically.


Not in my classes ;) But mine are much more based around being able to use something as opposed to correctness.

@Delph: I am NOT talking about your case and about ESL teaching but more generally. Altogether I have met hundreds of school kids and I'm in very close contact with several of them throughout the school year and I see what they do in school in ALL topics. Only memorizing theories and tons of homework. Result is that kids are always tired and even depressed. I have a lot of (Polish) parents around me who complain but what can they do?

Haha, I'm not an ESL teacher though :P But you're right, it's a huge problem. Classes 1-3 are very good these days, but beyond that...


Yep. There's a lot of teachers that simply can't be bothered to put the effort in.

It's all directly related to the fact that teaching is still seen as "something for the woman to do part time while looking after her children". The salaries are low because of that, and radical reforms such as increasing salaries by 33% while increasing the workload by 33% have been met with protests by the teaching unions.

Back to the topic please

Truth is of little concern to crazed Church-bashers. Their only purpose is to hunt out some marginal incidents and blow them way out of proportion to fuel their Christophobic fantasies.

Back to topic please

Truth is of little concern to crazed gay-bashers. Their only purpose is to hunt out some marginal incidents and blow them way out of proportion to fuel their homophobic fantasies, as you yourself make so crystal clear so regularly. But in this case you aren't even blowing a marginal incidents out of proportion to fuel your homophobic fantasies: you are creating something which very simply does not exist and then railing against it.

They do not exist only for homo toadies and brown-nosers either on the LGBT payroll or
unpaid fanatics and fundamentalists.

So, you'll have no problem at all in linking to the Ministry of Education document which you are objecting to, will you?

It was Delph who was interested so I directed him to the ministry. Fronda's word is good enough for me.

What crossed my mind is that is today`s Poland`s reality worse then future predicted in Polish sci-fi movie Seksmisja, back in 1983. And some fought that it was scandalous movie. Idiots. Always can be worse. It was, among else, at least about man-woman banging.

You're the one making the claim: you need to prove it.