Palikot - too liberal/modern for Poland?

'Aborcja na życzenie' means a woman can have her unborn baby murdered just because she feels like it without giving any reason. Poland's current law allows abortion in case of:

-- a threat to the woman's health
-- a threat to the woman's life
-- a badly deformed foetus
-- pregancy resulting from rape
-- pregnancy resulting from incest.
At a time when many childless couples are looking to adopt, those who do not want or cannot afford to care for a baby should consider that option rather than choosing the selfish and criminal way out. Murder is murder whether or not you give it some fancy name like euthanasia, capital punishment or termination of pregnancy.

so why there are so many children in orphanages...?

And murder is killing a person. A foetus is not a person. Furthermore, your information on the legality of termination in Poland is incorrect. It is allowed only in the most exceptional of situations and even then not widely available. Remember the case of the lady who went blind having been prevented from terminating a pregnancy, or the teenage girl who was raped and couldn't get rid of it? Both discussed on this forum.

If anything, it strengthens the church by ensuring that the State isn't linked with it.

After all, the Polish constitution guarantees it - so what's the problem? Do they not accept their own constitution?

Direct election in Poland - but that sounds like the German model too. I'd prefer it as well, but the Polish state seems terrified to give any sort of autonomy to the provinces here. I suspect Palikot's promotion of abolishing it is simply because the current Senate is just a talking shop. One that was directly elected by the provinces may be much better - but it's hard to tell.


Well done, you've just shown that you're another Plastic Pole. If you actually lived here, you'd know that adoption by childless couples is very, very difficult. Anyway, no surprise that a church-loving dinosaur promotes totalitarian rule over women and their right to decide.


Because people only want nice, uncorrupted babies - combined with the bureaucracy that stops childless couples from adopting.

It's nice to see that the usual suspects are running scared of Palikot - could it be because he's got the money and influence to say whatever he wants? No doubt part of the reason that they're reacting so badly is because they realise that with PO in power, they can't use the State to shut him up.

Which would be what according to you, guest worker?


You know what your Polish friends tell you, and what Michnik writes in Wyborcza, but if you pause and think a little, you would know that dildo Polikot would be screeming his filthy mouth off right about now about the fake notes written in his handwriting. He isn't.

Like I said, another Lepper.

too liberal? hahahaha... before he became so liberal he was owner of catholic paper - OZON. all what he is doing should be called performance and has nothing common with words like programme, opinion, idea. its just show for idiots.

Either Gazeta Wyborcza or Rzeczpospolita. Doesn't matter which, both of them tend to be able to report things "bez comment" rather than with a heavy dose of opinion designed to influence the reader. Given that Gazeta Polska already published plenty of nonsense about Smolensk (including many factual errors that can be verified easily) - it's not really the "bastion of truth", is it?


I'd suggest that Palikot, with his millions, doesn't care less what some fringe loony newspaper publishes. If they're wasting their time producing "proof" that Palikot is a traitor - then they're doing nothing to discredit his policies, which works fine for him. Anyway, the Palikot strategy is simple - get people talking about him. I'd suggest that Gazeta Polska is doing a grand job of doing just that.

And where do your politics come from, some sort of visceral osmosis or inherited mündliche Überlieferung?


Love him or hate him, the Poles as a nation voted him and his party into office and voted your favourite party out into the unemployment queue.

Although you might make valid points, Polonius, I don't necessarily agree with your point of view. As jonni rightly pointed out, there is a discrepancy between the law and the actual practice. Besides, I have the feeling that what some doctors refuse to do in "state hospitals", they are eager to do in their private practice. I have to agree with jonni when he says that a foetus is not a person "as such". Then again ... I saw a "USG" of my son when he was 20 weeks in the womb, and I have to say it would have been impossible for me to have him aborted then. I guess we should leave it up to the parents to be (within limits, of course) to decide to have an abortion.

And ... the doctors shouldn't be allowed to refuse an abortion if it contravenes their "moral code" or the physical health of a woman. In times where Polish men aren't really well-known for taking care of their own children (let alone in cases where the mother dies), I think it is not a healthy course of action.

But all this might be a subject for another thread. Let me stress here that I am very happy that until now this discussion is extremely civilised, notwithstanding the very different points of view between -for example- Polonius and me. I'd like to thank all of you who participated in this. It kinda shows that "we" can have a civilised discussion, no matter how different our points of view, without getting personal, and attacking eachother, etc. There's nothing wrong with having a lively discussion with agreeing to disagree once in a while. Polonius and I will never agree on this particular subject, but I for one respect his point of view on this subject.

Thanks guys and galls!

Why should only the woman be allowed to decide? It takes two to tango. Abortions should be persmsisible in extreme cases only with the written consent of both the woman and the man who impregnated her. Don't men have any rights?

Merged: Palikot- Mr Hate Speech!

In an interview for Gazeta Wyborcza on Saturday Janusz Palikot, Poiland's 'Mr HAte Speech', said: “I’ve got to be boorish. If I said only wise things I would get only 4% support… I’ve got no choice. Otherwise we will be eternally doomed to Tusk and Kaczyński... I said we should shoot, gut and skin Kaczyński and sell his hide in the Majewski comedy show. But OK , I can retract it ." He added thta one of the things people have remembered the longest was that he once called justice min. Gowin a fag (ciota).

trying to legalize pedophilia.
at this very time Palikot and polish minister of education invited to Poland self proclaimed pedophile Cohen Bendit,to take part in symposium in state run Wroclaw university.

debate was about sexual education of children and "Future of Europe".lol

wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/cohn-bendita-spotkaly-w- polsce-zarzuty-o-pedofilie,1,5475545,wiadomosc.html

this sick bastard faked to be sick and run away once this news got to media

what an sad idiot this palikot

care to give us a link in English?

spinelligroup.eu/it/article/spinelli-debate-wroclaw-poland-240420 13

dw.de/pedophilia-accusations-haunt-green-politician/a-16791213

In other words, alleged, and not proven at all.

Yet more wise words from another Polish patriot who abandoned Poland.

lol
turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/homosexuality/daniel-cohn-bendit-and- the-1968-revolution-paedophilia-as-part-of-their-political-agenda /

podles.org/dialogue/principled-pedophilia-and-the-german-left-342 .htm
en.metapedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit

crazy world...
self confessed pedo,one of most prominent politician in Eurokolchoz teaching governments how to deal with children...lol

Are you a Polish patriot?

do no-patriotic poles exist?

Thought so.

why only "patriot"?
why dont you drop this BS and straight start calling me Nazi or Fascist.i dared to oppose social experiments of some leftwing pedo scumbags...isnt that clear sign of fascism?

opposed how?

ok...exposed him...my mistake.but you not like them Bolshevik militia who pick up on someones grammar mistakes when lost for arguments.are you?

beside,this thread is about Palikot not me.still think hes liberal/modern enough or not enough.how liberal and modern is promoting pedos?
to me its sick.

Palikot supporters are sick SICK mentally ill people.
The party offers nothing good and would make Poland into Sodom and Gomarah.

yea, as if legalising weed isn't good and removing that stupid cross from the parliament

*rolls eyes

Daniel Cohn-Bendit? Self-confessed? Check again, he never said anything like that.
He's actually one of the few politicians to say what he really thinks, with passion. I like him.


Why? That was a bit easy, could you explain this?

I like certain postulates of Palikot's movement and support them fully:

- flat tax
- limiting the government
- kicking religion out of the schools
- drastic liberalization of abortion laws
- civil unions
- limiting the number of Sejm deputees
- unification of ZUS and KRUS
- reduction of employment costs
- legalization of soft drugs and depenalization of victim-less crimes
- the right to an error and the rule of silent approval
- solid sexual education in public schools
- declarations instead of certifications
- limiting the number of terms each MP can serve in their life.

I disagree with most postulates that create public funding provisions and so called "freebies", because it's our tax money that is being spent to fund that.

Those all sound reasonable. What exactly is "declarations instead of certifications"?

Means if you go to any governmental institution, all you need to prove something would be a self-written declaration instead of government issued certification or attestation, which takes time and money to obtain.

See legend, Palikot supporters tend to be young, educated and employed. Is that mental illness to you?


Could you perhaps explain your opposition to -


Then again, you don't live in Poland and have no real idea about Polish politics except what the Polonia rags tell you.

For people like him anything that's modern, freedom based or basically different from his own narrow view set, is considered mental illness. Weird thing they also tend to consider Macierewicz a sane person. Go figure.


What I listed is just a small part of all the good things that the party has to offer.