What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors?

Thank you :(

On the same basis you have so conveniently dismissed the previous poster.


Always? Are you sure?


Then I must be an exception then, but since I’m here and claim otherwise it does make your statement wrong then.

Hey - it would still be only two hours flight away (and think about all those annoying car thieves going
to France instead of Germany!)

you have a bunch of great ideas ;) - maybe except that Slovakian part

Now you've simply stopped making sense. Not unusual when someone picks a fight then loses.


Perhaps you know otherwise - some long forgotten pre-industrial era with no relevance to the present. Very long forgotten since it didn't even fall into Polish hands after the battle of Grunwald. Though as you no doubt know, perhaps from Discovery Channel or the cap of a Tarczyń bottle, Poland tried unsuccessfully to invade it shortly after 1500. And of course the Duchy of Prussia issue. Still Prussian though.


Interesting to see you squirm. It makes no difference. No Polish government has made a claim on Kaliningrad and there is no significant movement for Poland to annexe it. Perhaps you should start one and march round town with placards.

And the football??? Can you imagine a 'ski playing for Les Bleus???? Nooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hmm... good point, but then again - French, with all their former African colonies, and black players,
wouldn't have to take our Kloses and Podolskis from us. But then again, we wouldn't have all those
good used farming machines and reliable cars (some of them totally free of charge he he), and in case of
Russian invasion we would have French army behind our backs instead of Bundeswehr (which might be either
a good thing or a bad thing.) Decisions, decisons...

Everything that happen in history is relevant to the present, simply ignoring it or choosing the bits you like that suit your point of view and to reinforce them does not allow you to make a rational argument on any count. It’s all very much relevant

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Ie. If for some reason a distant ancestor of yours was impotent or for some reason did not claim the woman that he did as his wife or whatnot the chain would have been broken and you simply would not be here to present your point of view. Your family line did not magically happen to appear at a convenient point in history like the dawn of industrial revolution.

You can dismiss the facts all you want but the simple truth is you can’t change the history. I have to give you credit for distorting it a great deal and making a mess of it in the process. So do tell me what’s the point of turning this into a history lesson and educate you when you resilience to knowledge is so strong? You will simply shrug it all off, throw in a few insults and call it a day. Wow! You lose, is that the best way for someone who aspires to be viewed as half an intelligent person to close the debate? Kind of childish but I’ll oblige.

Wow. Squirming on an epic level!

Nothing alters that fact that Kaliningrad isn't Polish, Poland doesn't have a claim on it, no Polish government has ever asserted any claim and there is no movement within Poland to annexe Kaliningrad.

However you try to justify losing an argument, these facts remain unchanged.

Like I said, what’s the point to carry on a discussion with a dimwit individual who doesn’t know the meaning of the word debate. If I wanted an argument I might as well could of picked one with my wife, but that would have been an insult to her, at least she knows how to present her argument in a half intelligent way and can make a supporting argument as to why her reasoning is the way it is, a skill that you have failed to present here, you failed so miserably. I haven’t started to debate you yet, just probing your knowledge on the subject matter, but there’s nothing there except an opinion to which any as*hole is entitled. If I had to make an comparison to what this experience has been like I would have to say you’re just like my as*hole, it’s also very opinionated especially after certain kind of food and speaks loudly in a foreign language but it only all makes a perfect sense to another as*hole, I’ll bet. Win? Lose? No such thing in a debate, you simply present your point of view with supporting arguments that are logical and easily absorbed and understood by a casual listener. The more converts you gain to your point of view the better but there’s no such thing as winning.

Then let's move Slovakia in place of Belarus, and Belarus in place of Hungary. I'd be closer to Spisz and Poprad hot springs and the Belarussians might enjoy being neighbours with Austria and Serbia. Crow might like it too.

Most people in Poland couldn't care less about Kaliningrad.

Vilnius and L'viv, sure - but Kaliningrad?

As far as I can tell, the vast majority of Poles (even the PiS voting ones) only want the land that they had during the II RP back - nothing else.

Interesting. Are they also willing to give back the land that they didn't have during the II RP?

Still meaningless bluster. Whatever you say doesn't alter the facts. That there isn't any significant movement within PL to annexe Kaliningrad, there isn't a legal vasis for any claim, and no Polish government have ever asserted one.

Optimal...? In what way?

Why just European countries?

I think it would benefit from being sandwiched between Argentina and Japan... But who wouldn't?

as far as I can tell the vast majority of Poles don't bother about Lwów and Wilno and are only moved by the Lithuanians reducing Polish minority rights = only some young hotheads envision Poland back in Lwów and Wilno (i used to when I was much younger)

Well I live in Canada and havent been to Poland in over 15 years but here are my opinions.

Germany: I think Polands relationship with Germany is on fairly good terms
Czech and Slovakia: Czechs and Slovaks I cant really say. They are very similar to us in some matters.
Ukraine: I dont have anything bad to say about Ukraine really. East Ukraine is mostly Russian speaking and some of them wouldnt mind rejoining Russia. West Ukraine is mostly Ukraine speaking. They are quite nationalistic.

Belarus: I am not sure.
Lithuania: I personally have no problems with them.
Russia: is a VERY complex situation. Either Poland has to have aid from the west or from Russians or mix it somehow -_-

(If I have any misinformation please correct).

In a very direct way. Among various choices there is often one which is optimal.


Because, first of all, nobody gives a damn about non-Europe and, secondly, Poland, I have no idea how, ended up neighboring only European states.


You better not :)





But you didn't say a thing ;) How can you be wrong?

West Ukraine should become part of Poland. Most of the citizens there have some Polish blood anyway.

Welcome to Polokrania.

you actually said nothing, so you'll be fine

If I may add something first we should discuss what neighbors we do not like, whom we like and why one should go or stay:

We do not like:

1. Germans (because they invaded us in WWII and they are stupid - they do not know when and how we cheat them)

2. Russians (they are smarter than Germans and they cannot be cheated so easily, but we do not like them because of communism and because they grabbed Ukraine and Belarus, not us)

3. Lithuanians (we do not care about Lithuanians, so we don't like)

4. Czechs (because they are cowards, they didn't fight in WWII and they drive only Skodas)

5. Slovaks (they screwed up - we liked them in the past when beer was cheap there, but now they entered eurozone!)

6. Ukrainians (one big mess, although they’ve got nice chicks, chicks we like)

7. Byelorussians (maybe we could even like them but who knows who those folks are??)

8. Ourselves (because we are Polish)

And we like:

...

So you can see everything must be changed in the region.