Officials in Poland are hailing an upcoming visit by Donald Trump

Or were they there because they were told to be there, just like in the PRL?

You see, one of those seas in that `three seas area` is Serbian sea. Adriatic. Dalmatia. We won it for our people and for Slavdom. Our people fought against Turks and Venetia there. Our army pursued Italians and Austrians from there. We Serbians won it. Our people live on shores of Dalmatia. People that was by bestial force and cunning ways taken from us. And not only there. By sponsorship of Germany, some were taken, some killed and some ethnically cleansed by Croatian Nazi ustashe, during WWII and in Civil War 1991-1995. But, we were accused for Greater Serbia, while it was Greater Croatia on agenda.

Idea was to erase us Serbians. But, it won`t work. That sea belongs to us Serbs and to Slavdom. Things are already in motion. Catholic and Orthodox Serbians already uniting in demands for freedom. It would be what can not be, it would be never-ending battle.

And you now, irone, speak here about `three seas area`. You truly don`t understand. Not that its not over. It didn`t even started.

You know better than that.

What do you think "support Trump" means? 23% of Poles support Trump's ideology. His ideas. His BS. SAD!


The fake crowds were reported by wyborcza.pl amongst others. You still have the good ole Soviet days in Poland?

@TheOther

First off, the number you're referring to is not general support for trump but rather specifically 'if trump would do the right thing in a world crisis.' This is where this 23% number has been applied to polls. I can tell you from being polish, watching polsat tvp and other polish channels, having just returned from poland just to go again in a month to few months, having countless family friends business associates etc that poles both who favor po and pis side like trump and feel he'll be good for poland and are genuinely happy about trumps visit. Even in wroclaw that's been the talk of the town for weeks. Po isn't some super liberal party like the dems in the U.S. they're far more centrist/center left or atleast the majority of members. Poles will never forget their history and their culture land religion language etc is everything to them. While most want poland to remain in eu, as do i, it doesn't mean well ever allow our freedoms, culture and way of life to be eroded or threatened whether its by Islamic terrorism or the invasion by a sovereign state.

pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership

There is no such poll which specifically asked if polish residents 'support' trump, believe trump is good specifically for poland, if trumps views and ideology will help poland and so on. Nonetheless I can tell you that poles are genuinely happy about trumps visit regardless of what non poles say.

It certainly didn't cost them anything in the past 4 special elections even with all of the millions of $$$$$ the DNC pumped into the campaigns, and they still choked!

In regards to being impeached, it`s NOT going to happen. As soon as you liberals, if you even can, get over the election loss and except the fact that Trump is the President. Perhaps, Dems wouldn't look so foolish with these fake scandals and ridiculous impeachment plots.

I think this will hurt the Dems even more in 2018 midterms.


He`s just like Chicken Little. He makes up so many stories you can't believe a word he says! LoL

Yes, that was the poll I was talking about. As you said, it asked people about their confidence in Trump's ability to "do the right thing regarding world affairs". Only 23% of Poles had confidence in Trump. Whether you interprete the 23% as agreeing with Trump's ideology (or views) or not is completely up to you. For me it is a clear sign that only a minority of Poles would follow the destructive nationalistic and isolationist path that the Trump administration is on.

That many Poles were happy about Trump's visit wasn't really the question, but I believe it.

As confirmation to our talk here, spot the next news >


So, its clear. Woman nicely admitted- `for Germany, not for USA`. And she said it in the name of Duda. Truly, one can hardly say who is bigger imbecile there. No, she isn`t imbecile. She is evil Germanized witch and Duda is imbecile and plus utter moron or eventually younger partner in this charade.

Then, spot how Croatian Kolinda wrote Warsaw in English and posted photos on Twitter > `Warshaw`. To underline something, erroneous. So, we have to conclude how are Poles mistake that would be corrected and set in right dirrection >




Awful; I am disgusting to myself for ever believed in that slippery Duda

source > b92/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2017&mm=07&dd=06&nav_id=101744

Sorry, you're right, they are very fake news!!

@TheOther

It is not. A someone who uses stats regularly in his duties I can tell you that pew simply asked a sample of population 'do you trust trump to do the right thing in a world crisis' with the answer yes or no. It asked the respondents nothing more or nothing less. Usually such studies never ask more that 1k to perhaps at most 3k 5k people.

In the uk and Germany the numbers were just as low according to pew. Yet where were the protesters or demonstrators in warsaw? Basically none. Yet they were saying numbers of as high as 100k snowflakes I mean demonstrators when trump comes to Germany.

Furthermore stats are b.s. companies and people manipulate stats all the time by manipulating the sample size or the way a statistic is calculated. If I went to say some Muslim majority special urban zone in France and asked If they believe weed should be legal surely most would say no. However if I conducted same study but using a sample of say young students living in a college town the same question surely more people would be pro legalisation. Hence I can say 67% of people in France don't support/57% do support legalization depending on which sample size I chose to represent the population of France. In the same manner both examples are a samples of a population

If you manipulate the sample whether purposely or not, it will affect your results. So don't believe most polls or statistics unless it states how it was conducted which some sites do describe their methodology.

I'm sure if you were born and raised in poland, had hundreds of polish friends family members acquaintances colleagues business partners etc you wouldn't be blinded by what some talking head tells you to think and could form your own opinions from facts based on the ground. Being polish, living in poland for some time, and having very strong ties with the country through both polish organization here and with having family/friends/property and soon a business in poland, I can confidently say that the majority of poles, meaning at least 51% do like trump and feel he'll be good for poland and Poland's citizens. If you read or heard his speech the whole purpose was common ground - family values, God, free speech, fighting terrorism, nato, etc.

Consider this logic. Poles elected pis which some 37% of the vote, add another 10% to the more nationalistic and right parties, kukiz, etc, and even just a few percent of po voters, say 3% only.. Peole like my grandma that tend to vote po but are traditional but yet open minded and you're already at 50% - more than double the 23% figure of 'poles not liking trump' that you're inferring...

Ask 10 totally random polish people tomorrow in the rynek at the deli wherever if they're happy trump came to poland (assuming you're in poland and polish). If you could record it even better. Id be curious to hesrbtheir answers

Trumps team is too smart to send him to poland if 80% of poles didn't like him. He could've just as easily went to Nigeria where according to pew 58% 'view him to do the right thing in a world conflict' again that doesn't automatically translate to liking him. Many people including myself also thought Obama would probably be a cool head in a world crisis, although he was a total b1tch for not enforcing his red line leading to Assad and putin and the Iranians walking all over him in Syria.. But nonetheless Obama would probably sooner use diplomacy than force while trump is more hotheadex... I am willing to bet though now that trump bombed assads airfield he won't be so quick to using chemical weapons next time

Also ill add that trump called out to walesa and his role in solidarity... People cheered loudly when walesas name was called showing its not just rabid far right ppl that attended as those groups tend to dislike walesa. There are many uploads of trumps speech online you can view.

Of course not. They were all PiS party members - "invited" to Warsaw to cheer Trump. Just like in the olden days - only the flags they had to wave were different.


We could discuss all night long what Poles think about Trump or not. I for one strongly believe that most of them are not buying his BS simply because Polish people are far too intelligent for that. It's a minority that falls for the nationalistic crap - just like in the USA or the U.K.. If your contacts in Poland are part of that crowd, well, then you maybe hang out with the wrong people. Or it is simple standard deviation... ;)


Happy maybe, but for a different reason. Not because they love Trump so much, but because they are patriots who love to see Poland presented as an important "regional power" in the world news. Trump was stroking the Polish ego; that was pretty obvious.

@TheOther

Well support trump or not either way it doesn't matter... Poland will never turn into the mess that is now France and that's good enough for me. 2 years of state of emergency on and off.. No Muslim and antifa riots for us thank you very much.

Its not nationalistic crap. Did you even bother to read or see the speech? The message was common ground and the threats against western civilization. Not against only Poland.

Also the fact that you refer to poles as 'they' rather than us shows you're not a pole.

@TheOther

Then why did walesa receive such applause if you claim that it was only pis supporters? I didn't hear a single boo or any other disrespect when his name was announced. Surely if there were only pis members there they'd have strong words.

Each parliament guy (and prolly pis guy too) was told they could bus 50 supporters. Even at say 10,000 people assuming say 200 buses. How do you count up the remaining 40k plus?

A fellow student of mine is a PiS supporter, yet he told me that he admires Walesa and doesn't share the animosity of his party leadership against the man. Just because you follow a party doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the party says.

@Tacitus

Exactly that's my point. But try explaining that to all the people who toe one line without even bothering to do understand the others perspective. I don't care about pis or po one way or the other. The only thing that worries me is there's too much outside influence on some of the people in po.

Walesa is kind of a fool maybe not the smartest guy (and was def treated as 'the fall guy')but he def did a lot of good for poland. In my eyes his good deeds outweigh his sins. Shame michnik backstabbed him shortly after walesa gave him the blessing to establish wyborcza.

There are other factors to consider as well. Many Poles might simply be happy about Trump's visit because of what he presents (American commitment to Poland) instead of what he is. Even those who don't like Trump personally might be simply happy about this gesture.

I mean realistically speaking, there are not many reasons why Poland should be happy with Trump. Warsaw is most concerned with Russia, and there is the greatest uncertainty surrounding Trump. Trump's antiliberal ideology might make him sympathic to some PiS Voters, but Poland is unlikely to benefit from this, since this is mostly a domestic issue. The fact that Trump has endorsed Brexit is problematic for Poland, since they want to secure the rights of Poles working in the UK for which they'll need a strong hand as possible.

Trump's merely ingraciating himself with Poland's PiS, while trying to show Poland at the same time as a "bastion of freedom".
What a lame ass!

It is. Deal with it.

So butt hurt

If he did, he wouldn't be criticizing it.
Being a liberal, he blindly jumps on the anti Trump band wagon at every opportunity!


He's an Aussie and now lives in California. He's neither an American or Polish.

More that Poles always give a good welcome to foreign leaders regardless of who they are, or whether they're liked our not, whereas Trump lacks support in Europe as a whole.

Probably true, jon. One of the first sensible posts on this topic I've read thus far:-)

@jon357

That's true. I still feel though he has more support in poland than say Germany or France. Apparently there are significant anti trump anti g20 demonstrations in Hamburg. I can understand the anti trump but why would people want to block the roads in hopes of preventing world leaders from meeting is beyond me. Most the time these meetings are about finding common ground and solutions to the problems the whole world faces.

What's strange is according to that pew research survey many Africans i.e. Kenyans Nigerians Senegalese actually had a high opinion of whether trump would do the right thing in a world crisis. In some places it exceeded well over 40 even 50%. I certainly didn't expect that. Then again its a survey and when I read the methogolody then asked only about 1k people per country surveyed. A larger sample size would have been nice.

Really? What was so antagonizing for Berlin? Info that Poland would rather pursue her national interest rather than be a butler for Berlin like Tusk.


Oh really? All hail the boss of Europe. Boo hoo!

Most Poles have no idea about Trump's 'ideology'. AS I said if you want to believe in some polls - go ahead I ain't gonna stop you.


Yes with their main newspaper called wait for it .... wyborcza. Plenty of soviets and commies there with Commissars Michnik on the top. Soros helps them lots as few read them anymore.


You know nothing about old days so please don't annoy me by displaying your ignorance and talking BS. Believe what you will but don't talk about things and issues you have no clue about.

Poland enjoyed far greater influence in Europe while working togeter with Berlin than now. Poland could have worked together with France and Germany to shape the European future after Brexit, while now they'll either have to choose whether or not they want to be part of a deeper integrated Europe, or if they want to be sidelined. Poland is free to pursue its' national interest, but it is not particulary smart doing so by antagonizing all its' important European partners.

@Tacitus

Hate to break it to you but the smaller poorer eu states especially those in central and eastern Europe feel as if Germany, France, Belgium etc decide everything important and the smaller nations must follow. Its not just poland that feels their sovereignty is being violated and they are underrepresented in the eu. Hungary czechy etc share similar sentiment. People don't want to be told what to do in their own country. Thatd be like if someone in a wealthier town next door to you told you how to remodel your home, what kind of flowers to plant, and forcing uou to take in homeless people, and threatening to fine you if you say no. And that person feels he has the right to tell you what to do because you're both in the same jurisdiction even though you're in two different towns in different homes. Even Austria and Switzerland are going against the eu now as it relates to the migrant crisis. Recently a small town in Switzerland of around 2k 3k people stated that they'd much rather pay 250k euro than let just 10 migrants into their town. You don't hear much on Denmark Austria and Switzerland fighting against the eu migrant quotas but they certainly are. Denmark drastically lowered its welfare payments and through this got rid of a ton of refugees because they moved over to Sweden to take advantage of their system instead of finding a job in Denmark. Also Austria just deployed troops specifically for the purpose of keeping out migrants that may try to cross in from Hungary due to the uptick of arrivals lately.

Now even some Swedes and Germans are finally saying enoughs enough.

- Nord Stream (economic)
- Refugee quotas (social)
- German owned media in Poland (cultural)

These seem to be the main issues concerning recent Polish-German relations.

If V4 relations continue developing, then this rather hollow promise of being a bigger part of Post Brexit EU; will be negated. There is a correlation between being more internationally involved and taking on more foreign issues/people. I think Poland is satisfied just being a regionally stable nation, at-least in my lifetime. We have internal issues such a birth rates that we are attempting to fix in house. We are in no position to play school teacher, beyond importing Ukrainians

Yet, when in doubt, they'll always side with Germany instead of Poland. How many countries have sided with Warsaw against Tusk again? The secret behind Merkel's succees is that she knows how to build European alliances, and how to get the smaller countries on board. For example, many smaller countries were very concerned that Greece would be treated to leniently, and Merkel helped to convince them otherwise.

Regarding refugees, this is a matter of European solidarity. Eastern Europe and particulary Poland has received a lot of European support in form of structural funds over the years. It also has lobbied for European support since Russia became more active in Eastern Europe and Germany in particular has sacrificed a lot of its formerly good economic relation with Russia to stop Putin via sanctions (the Western country that is even more afflicted, Italy, is currently suffering the most along with Greece under the refugee crisis). Is it really too much to ask that Poland for once makes a small concession on the refugee issue?


At this point, I wouldn't be against such a solution, yet I am pretty sure that Poland hasn't offered any financial assistance to either Italy, Greece or Germany for dealing with the refugees. On the long run, I expect however this to be the solution. There are already talks about how the EU budget will be organized after Brexit, and it looks like the structural funds will be slashed, probably by more than 50%. Additionally some money might go to the countries who are taking in most of the refugees.