Multi-culti (in Poland) -- roadmap to disaster?

Let me just stop you right there, I don't know why India and the middle east are such "dumps" but I'll tell you right now if you've ever filled up at a Shell, BP, Exxon/Mobil, Texaco then you have benefited from them. All these companies have been in the oil producing countries for at least 50 years, lining the pockets of every single dictator that came through the ranks (literally).

A coup happens, they pull out. The new dictator comes in crushes any opposition to the Oil fields and they come back bearing gifts of gold for the new Tyrant in charge and life goes on as usual for the Gas guzzling masses that actually benefit. Fair enough, it's not all "evil white man" fault.... but it's right up there. I've seen it with my own eyes.

So it's no wonder if the Multinationals are helping the dictators stay in power that the downtrodden masses will either revolt or re-locate and those are the two options but neither is ideal.

So it's their leaders? Could so many "leaders," one after another, generation after generation be so inept at ruling? It stems from 3 places: Washington; London; Vatican City. Militarily, Financially and Religiously, Western powers are ensuring that whoever lives there is f***ed. Now I ask you, how is it that you, I or any Pole has to to deal with the social fallout from that situation?

Something doesn't add up and it set my bullsh!t detector off quite some time ago.

So it's their leaders? Could so many "leaders," one after another, generation after generation be so inept at ruling? It stems from 3 places: Washington; London; Vatican City. Militarily, Financially and Religiously, Western powers are ensuring that whoever lives there is f***ed. Now I ask you, how is it that you, I or any Pole has to to deal with the social fallout from that situation?

Something doesn't add up and it set my bullsh!t detector off quite some time ago.


Well you could have left that part out thank you very much.
Yes, I benefit when I fill up with fuel. What are my choices?
I benefit when I purchase something made in a sweat shop (and I really, really pay way too much to avoid that when I can) but what are my choices? They are either nonexistent or becoming that way. It's not my choice, or your choice, it's the choice of a select few. We don't make these decisions and we have precious little influence to affect the decisions. However, it is the common citizen who deals with the fall out. It's bullsh*t. Maybe we need to riot and force politically responsible decisions to be made. But then we run into the problem of informing people about this- why isn't this a bigger story in the mainstream media? Hmmm, I wonder why...?

I don't think Finnish, Japanese or Chilean neighbourhood would be a big problem.

Yeah, I got you pegged all wrong but reading other posts on here makes you kind of expect the worst from every poster. We know the ones who are responsible. That being said, regardless of me not being a fan of the ethics of big multinationals I've benefits more directly from them than most of you, Ironically :)

But I have seen it and I think the reason the EU is so accommodating is a bit of historical guilt... There's no guarantee that Africa and other struggling 3rd world territories wouldn't have just fallen apart on their own, but short of checking how Africa is in a parallel universe (minus european influence), Europe will be feeling a lot of guilt for a long time.

Fair enough, Poland hasn't got a hand in it but Big Brother in Brussels has and Poland wants to sit at their table and has to chip in for the waiters tip (so to speak).

What about Poland and WW2?

Compared with their neighbours, Poland doesn't have very much to be guilty about. Only a couple of dark chapters.

I thought about killing millions of polish citizens by West.

West? Or Germany?

Suddenly Germany is not West? France and UK who watched this with popcorn in their hands too? And how about pretending that they didn't know about Auschwitz, Katyń etc?

No popcorn and you are writing nonsense if you suggest that either Britain or France killed

Oh don't worry you don't have me all wrong. You may be proven right still!


Can I ask you to rewrite that but instead of inserting country names like one would use a person's name (e.g. Poland sitting at the table), try (and please do not read any sarcasm into this) using different terms?

If you're talking about a specific group of people then identify them, if you're talking about all Africans or all Europeans then identify them as such. I feel this will make it easier for me to respond because once we refer/reduce a country down to that of an individual then we lose specificity and accuracy. When you refer to Poland, I'm not sure if you mean all Poles or Poles in government or Poles who voted on joining the E.U. but not necessarily those who have come of age since then, etc. Likewise for Europe and Europeans- sorry to nitpick but such oversimplifications in terminology seem to confuse me on exactly who or what is ever being discussed.

E.g. "Pakistan is suspected of..." I think "Who is 'Pakistan? Is it a he or a she? What does this person eat for breakfast? What's their favourite colour or song?" Maybe it's just me. Anyhow I am interested in how you'd rewrite that to mean exactly who you're talking about.

*edit* based on the responses, since the time I started typing this, I can see that you're not alone in this usage. I challenge everyone to rewrite their post but instead of a country name to stand in place of an agent, try being SPECIFIC.

I'll try...


When I referred to Africa, I meant oil producing African nations (Most/all of which were/are under dictatorships). When I said the EU are being accommodating I mean on paper their governments say all the right things about freedom of movement but clearly on a smaller scale there are grumblings.

And it's the same with EU countries that enjoyed the benefits of freedom of movement when their economy was dire now have to share the ""EU Burden" of collective "guilt" for stripping former colonies (even though not all EU nations had colonies) of assets.

Is that vague/specific enough? I don't see the beef really, we generalise all the the time and by reading between the lines we get an understanding of what the person meant. And if not I can clarify on request :)

TheMan
Good effort. Thank you.

So "freedom of movement" in exchange for "shouldering colonial and industrial exploitation fallout" is what was officially proposed to those who voted on joining the E.U? That seems like a bait and switch to me.

I'm sorry but this collective guilt you refer to, I find it to be rubbish. Any suggestion that Gabor who teaches swimming down in Hungary should deal with the problems (understatement) that have resulted from multinational treachery is just nonsense to me, likewise if the same idea is pitched to Mirsław who works on cars in Lublin.

I also think we generalize far too much these days and when it comes to international politics, these generalizations turn into gross oversimplifications.

Yeah, but it makes for great sound bites and political grandstanding. Like in the UK, the conservatives built their entire campaign on "Immigrants are evil, we'll stop them coming here and taking jobs" (I'm paraphrasing and reading btw the lines + a bit of artistic licence, but you get the idea). Then as soon as they cobbled together their half-baked coalition, they forgot about all that and just cut, cut and cut now, no jobs and no monies :(

Poland would do well to not fall into the trap of "all immigration is bad". Instead stricter policing and civil service actually doing their jobs will ensure the dodgy ones don't slip through the cracks. Because, let's face it, it's the dregs of (any) society that cause problems for the vast majority of law abiding diaspora where ever they may be.

But i'm pretty sure, that there are more problems because of Nigerians and Pakistanis, than Vietnamese and Koreans.

Who's counting. It's important that ALL groups are brough to economic and educational parity and that prejudice vanishes. To avoid problems.

Statistically it may be the case, but as we also know there's Triads everywhere but don't get me started on that :) You can not make a blanket policy that targets certain nationalities. Just police everyone robustly and the individuals that are having a positive contribution to society won't be tarred with the same brush.

Europeans should have no guilt about being successful...Name one country run by Blacks that is even remotely comparable to even a poorly run European country.

The United States of America.

As someone once said, "You call me jigaboo, and I'll raise the interest rate!"

Seriously, name one majority black country that hasn't been colonised at some point or other and has had the same centuries of stable growth that Europe has now. A few hundred years ago, Europe was a primitive mess.

It's a joke,isn't it?

Ho, ho!...Obama is just a caretaker for the Jews and the multi-nats.

Probably the most prosperous country in Africa under Black rule is Ghana...The rest have a level of corruption that make Washington DC and Brussels look like paradise.

In fact, a place like Lagos would probably make Detroit MI look like paradise!

youtube.com/watch?v=Tz5trJescYg
Lagos: Want some in Warsaw?

youtu.be/18ivYQxQnw0

Lagos Girls

Lagos is the birthplace of Afrobeat which is one of the best popular music genres ever. Poles if any Afrobeat bands wish to emigrate to your country I suggest you let them.

And how about if 10000 Yorubas who are really the grand fathers of Afro Beat wish to land?

youtube.com/watch?v=T1hc1zKnLr0

Cultural Diversity

Joe you never fail to scrape that barrel.

I'm sorry Joe, but I don't see what your point is? The first vid just showed a busy road in Lagos, not any worse than some major Parisian and Italian roads (Similiar road ettiqutte too I bet). Didn't watch the 2nd vid but can't be worse than anything that happens in any European country.

As for your 3rd vid, are you saying no one ever got killed on video in any other countries except 3rd world countries? All the way from Kansas to Cambodia, all these cautionary "examples" are not exclusive to Africans. Let me know when you have something exceptional to show me.

Btw, UK papers tday carried an article about a man here that allegedly intentionally gave his then girlfriend Herpes and he is likely to get a 14 months sentence. Which is appalling cos I thought only HIV infected Africans were the only reason Europeans had any diseases.

My point is simple: Nigeria is referred to by many Nigerians as a failed country...Especially in the urban areas, it exists in a state of chaos...Nigeria brings in billions in oil money, yet in big cities like Lagos, you don't have electricity for good parts of the 24 hour period.

Black Africa supplies many of the legal and illegal immigrants to Europe...If they cannot produce or maintain a functioning infrastructure of government in their own country, you want them here?...Better if they fought to make their own country functional...But that is too difficult, so they come here, where Europeans have already done the hardest work, and import problems.

If you cannot understand my point, I would recommend you live in a predominantly Black neighborhood, as I have done for a large part of my adult life, and actually gain some first hand experience with culture...Perhaps place your family in this type of environment.

This is not to suggest that darker skinned people do not have the capacity to make a contribution to a civilized society, because, even in Nigeria, you have millions of highly educated people...But as I suggested to another poster, name one country in Black Africa that is equal even to a bottom rung country in Europe.

Multi-culturalism, as currently defined by our simple minded and hypocritical social engineers, is a disaster for any country...As a famous Pole once said 'A little salt flavors the soup, but too much makes it unpalatable'...Same with immigration.


Because liberals leave the barrel cleaning that must be done to 'people like me'...They 'don't wish to get their hands dirty'.

Botswana, Namibia, Gabon...

Gaborone is very nice btw.

OK, Joe, now imagine, if you can, that you were born in Nigeria. What would be your plan?

It's a silly question in that we all know what the plan of many a Nigerian is- get out and live where ever it's easiest.

But why not ask what present day Nigerians would do if they were living in a functional society and others wanted in. Better yet look at how Nigerians deal with one another (for whatever reason)?

Is that really a way of life you want to emulate? I met a few very cool dudes from Nigeria in London and it if they were the norm then this wouldn't be a debate. Living in an immigrant neighborhood in London's east end exposed me to the reality of the U.K. immigration policy- it's basically importing in people who are highly prone to: violence; theft; vandalism; drug trafficking; prostitution; cultural seclusion; oh yeah sitting around and collecting government cheques but the odd one or two makes some neato food.

Seriously if you want to increase these problems in Poland why not invite more gypsies to come to Poland?

I can't say...Someone brought up Afrobeat, and Fela Kuti, considered the founder of this form, went to school in London, but moved back to Lagos and spent his whole life making music and trying to change or at least oppose the corrupt system in his home country.

Listen, I don't deny people the chance to better their lives, and certainly not the chance to travel and experience other nations...No...But, when you have a nation like Poland, or even Germany or Holland, when you import millions of immigrants who have a different cultural mindset and perhaps religion, you are asking for dislocation and disruption of your own society, because resources are in most cases limited, and the native people have a certain cultural history.

I simply try to suggest common sense, and bring out negative examples when the liberals venture too far into the hinterland.