Mass immigration to Poland - article and response

What about Nigerians? I must admit, they are not all bogus asylum seekers, only 99.4% of them are.

Link? or just your racist opinion?

And none of your distractions, I want to see proof of 99.4% Nigerian bogus asylum seekers.

Ireland was ill prepared for immigrants and letting anyone who had a baby on Irish soil does NOT count as asylum seekers, obviously.

Another thing RN, you know full well that the biggest minority of immigrants in Ireland are British but you go on and on about the Polish (the second biggest minority), what's that all about?

And have you any links stating how many Polish and British there are in Ireland?

Ireland received the second highest number of asylum applications in main industrialised countries from nationals of Nigeria in 2004. The recognition rate at first instance for 2004 is as follows:

Ireland 0.6%; Netherlands 0.6%; Austria 0.3%; Spain 0.1%

Less than 1%, therefore, of all Nigerian national asylum seekers succeed at first instance in the European Union member states that receive most Nigerian applications.

inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171

So it's settled then, mass immigration from 3rd world refugees has a largely negative impact on the host nation, is this where we're at?

Or has someone brought some salient points as to the benefits the host nation enjoys which outweigh the increase in violent crime and economic dependents and general dissatisfaction all parties both host and refugee seem to moan about?

No?
Ok this thread is over then.
Let's start a new thread focusing on whether or not Polish firms exploit workers in 3rd world nations to keep their multinational based economy running.

Jeeeezuz atch Kariste there are way too many people missing the obvious on this thread-choosing a nice snuggley, simplistic and emotional view of the world despite what sober and objective evidence happens to exist.

*Slams door on thread*

Bollocks. There are more Poles here than Brits. Unless you are including the 900,000 squatters up north into your calculations?


Do your own homework.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland#Recent_population_growth

Those figures don't look right...


Oh, I thought you had all that learned by heart.

The government itself admitted the census figures were wrong. They claim there are 200,000 Polish in Ireland. I dont believe there are over 100,000 British in Ireland for numerous reasons, but mainly this. The census was carried out at the weekend, when the majority of tourists come to Ireland. Who visits Ireland the most? The British. Everybody in the Irish state has to sign the census, even tourists in hotels. Trust me, I was the one knocking on doors for twelve hours trying to get them to fill out the forms.

So, Id knock 50,000 off the British figures. More like 70-80,000 British living in the RoI.

Oh, and by the way, there are 43,000 Polish on welfare in Ireland. If the census figure was true, only 20,000 of them would be in employment! We both know that isnt the case.

PS The Nigerian community claim there are 125,000 Nigerians in Ireland. The Chinese community claim there are upto 100,000 Chinese in Ireland. To sum it up, the census was a farce, the government said as much themselves.

PPS You have ignored my post about Nigerian asylum seekers. Cen fath?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_migration_to_Great_Britain#Irish_in_England


It's half a decade old.

Its the latest report on asylum seekers, I wonder why! The failed Nigerian asylum seekers are still here, they should be deported with haste.


Yes, BM , 1.4% percent of the population. Can you not see the difference? If Poles made up 1.4% of the Irish population, I wouldnt bat an eyelid.

Wiki is not very reliable, stop using it as I do not read the links. Use more reliable sources like a good man.

It can't be, they make reports every month and every year.



England total Area
- Total 130,395 km2
50,346 sq mi

Rep. of Ireland Area
-Total 70,273 km2 (120th)
27,133 sq mi

200,000 Poles in Rep of Ireland 27,133 sq mi

674,786 People born in Ireland living in England (should I include the 12800,000 persons of Irish ancestry?)in 50,346 sq mi

So there are over three times more Irish people living in England than Poles in Ireland but England is not even twice the size of Ireland.

here you got polish niggaz:
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afryka.org/?Gallery=106

What are they doing there?
Nigeria is a safe country and i'm sure Ireland is better off without them, so they should be kicked back to their own country!

Great article Dariusz.

When countries allow too many immigrants in especially those that just try to go on the welfare system like in Norway, then those countries lose their national character and eventually stop being those countries. Countries such as Sweden, France and Britain are starting to have problems with foreigners coming in and showing loyalty FIRST to their own ethnicity instead of to the country they live in.

For example I saw a show on "60 Minutes" here where Muslims living in PARIS France said "they don't live on French land - they live ON MUSLIM LAND". This ethno-centric attitude of immigrants coming into a country NEVER helps the nation that was kind enough to allow them in.

We here in the US are trying to stop all the crazy immigration going on in here especially illegal immigration.

Poland suffered greatly in the past because it thought it would be a nice guy and allow all types of people into the country hundreds of years ago. All this did was lead to ethno-centric fifth columns throughout Poland that undermined Poland and contributed to its collapse. Hopefully Poland has learned from its past of allowing unchecked immigration into its borders, which is being repeated in most Western European countries today.

lets be serious in here , who the hell want it to live in poland ?

Well, if this keeps up, I would!

:)

That is true Espana, nobody want's muslims to live in Poland. Thank you for clearing that up for us! But referring to muslims as "It", is a little strong. Remember, racism is forbidden on PF.

Remember, Muslims are not a race.

But they act like one. That's why it's ok to describe them as as one. They always use phrases as "muslims of the world", and "we are hurt". Who are "we"? The muslims....in Norway they had a big demonstration the other day. There were probably muslims from 30 different countries there. They were all "together", "standing as one", they were all "victims".

If it looks like a muslim and talks like a muslim....then it's probably....a muslim. (No matter what country they are from).

Dariusz

That is true, but...


... that still does not mean they are a race. A loose ethno-cultural religious group perhaps, but not a "race". Then again, hardly anybody uses the word "race" in its correct usage, so I guess I'm just being pedantic. Also, how does someone "talk" like a Muslim? Is there a Muslim accent now?

You might want to explain that to them, they always seem to cry racism.


They're usally the ones demonstrating and demanding something.

Dariusz, i read your shocking story.

Thanks to socialists, liberals and christians, Europe is fastly turning in a 3rd world sh#thole.
It really should stop!

I feel sad that the beautiful Scandinavian countries are also suffering from multiculturalism.
Once Norway, Sweden and Denmark were peaceful countries were you didn't need to lock your doors and women were all safe. Now look at how things are now, thanks to all those f#ckers from Africa/Asia.

It's time to kick every non-European who's criminal, muslim or living on welfare back to their own country!

Where are you going to move when the same will happen one day in Poland too?

Fucking Pakis.SCUM.

interesting the so many Poles have immigrated to other countries yet they want to keep their own insular to immigration.

On the serious not the amount of bulling other nations on this thread leaves ONLY bad taste in my mouth.

The only positive thing for Poland I can see in managing immigration is that it can learn from other country;s mistakes in handling the mass immigration and I still think that it will never happen to such a degree because Poland has less to offer to those who are seeking new home.

I guess the EU passport seekers will always be there.

When the day comes that Poland looks like England or France, then Europe will be in flames, so I don't see it happening in Poland like in the other nations overrun by African and Asian immigrants. There will be war in Europe first. Norway was one of the first nations to accept mass immigration in Europe and has had over 40 years of non-controlled immigration to it's nation. The result is absolutely devastating.

Poland does not have the wealth or resources to feed hundreds of thousands of Africans and Asians on welfare. So if Poland should somehow find vast amounts of gold or diamonds and become like Norway, then we can talk about what could happen. But I don't think Poland will have a problem with immigrants for at least another 50 years. And by that time "Western Europe" will be in turmoil, outbreak of civil unrest, small wars breaking out between Muslims and Christians, and the new world order police arresting and controlling as much as they can. Police state 2050, here we come.

I'm hoping Poland will be one of the few states that can keep out of this conflict rising on our horizon, and when the dust has settled and Europe cleans it's wounds...Poland can show the way on how to run a nation. Because England, France and Germany are headed for major unrest.


Poles move to work and then one day return to Poland. Immigrants from Africa and Asia only come for passports, welfare and health care. They keep their identity, keep their religion but stay forever. Polish people work hard, build up houses back home and then eventually move back when the time is right. That might be 1 year, 5 years or even, as in my case 32 years. Same street, same neighbours, same house! The poles that don't go back to Poland, fully integrate into their new societies after 2nd and 3rd generations, take more normal names and you can't even see the difference. I know, because a big part of my Polish family settled in Norway because of my grandmother. If you saw her grand and great grandkids now you could not distinguish them from ordinary Norwegians. They have Norwegian names, speak Norwegian fluently, no Polish connections to really talk about and only know that their parents came from Poland when they were young themselves. White people coming to another white country equals peace and prosperity. Black people coming to white countries equal endless conflicts.

Is this hard to understand?

Well, it's true but don't forget that Poland appears to be a rich country comparing to your eastern neighbors and quite a few other countries around the world too so I wouldn't bet on it that they won't try to enter Poland soon too.

you sound a little patronizing to me, but considering your previous posts I am not surprised and I find your preaching tone quite annoying.
It is easier for Poles to integrate because of the many similarities in their won culture, but when you mention a skin colour, I just cringe because you are wrong. There are many people who integrate, but only if you give them space, forced integration never works well, which Europe is a good example in comparison to countries who have a different immigration politics: Canada/US/Australia, and even there, there are many problems. However, with time they can be overcome. It does not happen in one day.

Repatriation is the only solution.

I'm sorry for that last comment, it's not really how I write. But I just see things so clearly from where I come from, and I get a little frustrated when others don't agree! ;-)

But back to arguing again..."give them space", "give them money", "give them welfare", "give them education", "give them opportunities"...how about DEMANDING something?! Skincolour for me is everything. It identifies us. Although I do not mean that they are not entitled to live on our beautiful planet with us, we should not mix with them. Europe for europeans and Africa for africans! Would you have minded if white europeans suddenly started pouring into africa and behaving like they do here? You would have called that racist..oh but wait...it's them doing it to us...so..eh...we're still the racists...I'm getting a bit dizzy here. And I have to strongly disagree with you on the part with "with time problems can be overcome". If you pick up any history book, you will see that it has never happened. Without someone being wiped out.

And if you think I'm racist for saying so, you haven't lived in a multicultural city...and been close to "them". The africans are the most racist people I've ever encountered. Here in Norway they attack eachother based on solely their ethnic origin. Afrcans against pakistanis, vietnamese against iraqis, the gangs are all ethnically divided and HATE eachother! Just look at what's happening in the states with the mexicans and african americans...they're killing eachother on the basis of their skincolour! Just google it. Us "whiteys" are just bystanders, and when WE try to organize and say; listen we don't like this anymore, we're called racist. What a load of bullcrap.

Dariusz

then there is nothing I can do about the way you feel. I have a different opinion. I don't mix with other races not because I have anything against them but because it usually boils down to having little in common with them.


they did in the past but this is NOT a topic of our discussion. I guess the reference to colonization rings the bell.


that is fine. I have a different opinion because I saw this approach work time and again.


you are wrong again. I live in the city with over 50% population being immigrants from all over the world:).


I a sure there are conflicts but I have never heard about this being a problem. I am sure there are gangs who fight each other but I think it is more based on the war for territory then because of ethnicity.


again, a patronizing stand on your part. White people /gangs fight each other too, as they did in the past. Just because there is a conflict, it does not mean that it is the end of the world.

To be honest, your posts are ridden with a dash of paranoia and fear. I cannot relate to it at all.
I like all ethnic groups/ I have never had a problem with them in the past. I am sure there are conflicts but often press blows things out of proportion.

Eg. when police in my country needs more funding, the press suddenly starts writing about the the ethnic crime and so on on order to get the support from the public. It is a form of manipulation I think, but the police ranks in my country decided to include the ethnic minorities for two reasons: one- political correctness and inclusion, another one: to find a way to understand a different ethnic culture and find a way to - well, lets say control them, or keep them in check. Immigrants are not gonna go away and those countries need to find more creative solutions to ease up the situation between the host country citizens and the immigrants. That is my take on it.


fair enough and I understand the frustration, however there will always be some tension between different cultures and the results will greatly be influenced how those tensions are handled. I know I am speaking in general terms but, I really don't know to what degree the problems of immigration effect your country. I need numbers.

I am more about finding a solution then being stuck in a problem fueled by fear.

Other races make you feel uncomfortable and I am not sure how you gonna handle it, but I sure would not want to be in your place to be honest.