Mass immigration to Poland - article and response

1) I do not believe in the North Korean no entry policy.

2) I think that some freedoms of movements are essential.

3) I think, 'Complete boarder opening' does not seem realistic because it would take all (or most) countries to do it at the same time to even begin to work.

So I am left with partially open, on a number basis, especially to those that fulfil certain qualifications needed but open to everyone.

Edit* Basically, why should I be born in to such a privilege of being able to travel and work in practically any country?

and not an average society deal, or a spastic or an african famine victim. Why indeed.. Maybe youre god, it just doesnt make sense. But you are here and you have to make sense of that so how will you??

Well then I don't exist :)

*SeanBM disappears in a puff of logic*

People would come mostly to countries widely considered the most attractive. Native populations would be outnumbered.


You could ask "why should I be born in to such a privilege in rich family. " In the end this is what you mean. Differences exist in a local, state or continental scale. It will be always like that. If you wish to help people in third world then support free trade. It will help them to build decent states at home.

But you do ive met you. In this timeless, endless universe, are you trying to fool me?


Nah thats not it

Why do people trade? Because this is unprofitable?

So you think we should close the boarders?
What about close the towns and cities, after all that is what you are suggesting, same as family and nation.


Or I am not god, never claimed I was.
So i am not trying to fool anyone.

In my previous post I expressed willingness to accept immigration from culturally related states of Eastern Europe. Of course this would be profitable from European perspective to attract the brightest resources from other continents but I don't think that their homelands would be affected positively by such outcome.

You cant have your cake and eat it. You are a racist who doesnt seem to like anyone outside of Jobmount Street or whatever address you posted. You are also very dim.

Culture comes from the people, that’s what identifies a society otherwise you wouldnt have Celtic,Slavic,Mayan etc civilisations. Now if you look at the spatial distribution of any of those societies you can see that they encompassed many ethnicities* each with their own culture**.

The plethora of cultures in these societies was dependant upon local conditions (climatic, geological and geographical). That is why you have particular Roman artefacts identified as, for example, typically African, Iberian, Anatolian or whatever. The unifying thing about Rome, the thing that made it so successful, was the laws (central control) over the many cultures not one unifying culture.

*
Ethnicity based upon DNA, as you are fond of quoting (I call it Kennel papers)

**
I have a book about farming implements in Ireland and the diversity of, for example, Turf spades is amazing; One ethnic group with many diverse cultural artefacts.

So The Roman Empire was multicultural.

So within eastern Europe people would be able to freely move around?
Obviously you are anti E.U. but do you think it is a bad idea if E.U. member states move around?


You have a point but I think it could be worked out without the brain drain.

I think a lot of the thinking on this subject is medieval, these are very different times and we need a different approach.
The world is smaller now, with more people and becoming more and more homogeneous in language, culture and if you care genes.
It is not a long term plan to have an insular "gated community" in this day and age.


:) Ha ha ha ha ha ha :)

All entities require managers, I think you said that you were a monarchist, surely they also need managers all be it with funny names. I cant see them being any better than Republican managers. If all managers can be corrupted your vision fails.

Within all Europe and other civilizationally western states.


I support free movement of people within the area mentioned above and free trade worldwide. It doesn't mean that such traveller would automatically obtain citizenship of destination state.


Language and genes doesn't count, everything is about culture. If the world would become civilizationally homogeneous indeed then this would be reasonable to move forward with my proposals. However this is not the case and realistically it wont be the case for many centuries.


I would be naive if I would idealize monarchy. I might consider it to be superior to democracy but never free of pathologies. After all this is also human invention and human imperfection is well known.

I would say that monarchist managers are better than republican managers and both groups are far better than democratic managers. Monarchs usually offered high offices to very rich people, so rich that they did not need to bother about their future. Their position was unquestioned, they could concentrate on their duties. This is exactly proposal of Aristotle, nothing new. If they would fall into corruption their life could be threatened.

What about democracy? Democratic minister is very often relatively poor. They need to care about their pockets, think about it like all of us. This is why they are potentially far more keen to take bribes. As we all realize, currently death penalty is against so called secular religion of "human rights"and other penalties would not be severe as well. What they call prison today would be considered a luxury hotel not so long time ago.

Third-World and especially parasitic Muslim immigration will be the death of the West and every civilization nation if laws are not put in place to stop this massive influx and keep European countries homogeneous. Its everywhere from Poland and slowly converting into Eurarabia.

How long before Sharia law is enforced? Build fences, build walls, keep them out. They got their own countries. Let them live and work there as I have personally no desire to interact with them or learn about their lesser culture. Whatever they do on their own time is fine as long as I don't have to see it, hear about it, or accept it as my own. The collapse of the USSR was good as far as indepdence, advancement, and liberty are concerned but it brought two worse things: lowered birth rate, and mass immigration that was forbidden under the old system.

I agree. If the current immigration flow from third world, muslim countries continues, it is just a matter of decades before the streets of our western cities will look like the streets of any third world country. Then what will our "culture" be? The reason we have "multiculturalism" today is because all the countries of the world have borders and are able to build up their own uniqe culture. But if you mix it all up, there will be no culture, just a big grey mass of people who have no history, no special thing they can call their own. And there will be the top elite in this world who will have complete control over billions of people without any ethnic, racial or cultural belonging. I believe that is the goal of the so-called "New World Order". Why are they opening all the borders, why are they unifying all the countries into "unions", why are they mixing radically different religions and people at such a high rate? All that can come from this is chaos, tension between people, the demise of cultures and peaceful communities.

Here in Norway, pride in your own heritage and history is an evil, racist thing. Only the people that come from other countries can be proud of their heritage and history. It has come so far that we have allowed third world immigrants in burkas to be the main speakers at our national day of independence. There has been a big debate if the third world immigrants can use "their" national flags on OUR national day! It's not THEIR day of independence, it's ours! So why are they forcing themselves into this most important day in Norway and telling us that they want to march in burkas waiving pakistani, somali or turkish flags? Again...this is only one of a hundred examples of day to day things that norwegians have to read about and deal with in their lives. Another "tension", as I mentioned above. What happens when the norwegians tolerance run out? Or the immigrants become so many that they have the power to do what they want? For that day WILL come. Maybe not in our lifetime, but for sure in our childrens and grandchildrens time.

And to just end this little posting, I just read the main newspapers online edition, and the main story is; "Norwegian woman gangraped on the dancefloor in nightclub by 4 immigrants".

So, to anybody who tries to convince me about the joys of multiculturalism, why don't you ask the 140 norwegian women who were raped, some even beaten to a pulp and threatened with murder at knifepoint if they screamed, last year by immigrants in Oslo, what they think about multiculturalism.

Dariusz

I live in Germany. I'm Jewish and I am not allowed to wear a kippa on the street. Germans are not the problem. They're very tolerant and respectful.

BUT muslims aren't. They are not tolerant, nor are they civilized and respectful towards other religions and cultures.

I feel sorry for Europe. I love this place as much as I like Israel and I think I will end up migrating to Israel when Europe has fallen into the hands of Islam.

The women! Ah, the women are the key! As long as your women (in this case the Polish ones) keep on marrying ARabs or Turks and having children with them ,your culture will be lost and you won't be able to complain!

they already killed 6 mln of you now its time to relax and pretend to be the good one

They are NOW very Tolerant and respectful.

Better?

i dont give flying fvck being honest with you

Is BrutalButcher some other poster under a new nick to discredit Jews? Wouldn't surprise me at all...And if he isn't, he surely is not speaking on my behalf.

>^..^<

M-G (let that be clear)

Discredit jews? How would I do that?

I just don't want POland to be like Germany: A place full of Muslims ,who have their own laws and hate the country.

Perhaps it would help if you told the class your link to Poland.
You have made it very clear to all of us that you hate Muslims, so now perhaps you can tell us something else about yourself.

you could come to wonderfuk Peoples Democratic Republic of North Korea where we have no such problems, immigrations of every aspect strict controlled! that is the way of the Juche.

I think that is a wonderful idea for people who do not want immigrants, emigrate to wonderfuk Peoples Democratic Republic of North Korea:)

this reminds me of one story - in the early 50's a couple of hundreds of Korean children (orphans, half-orfans and the like) came to Poland - they encountered completely different attitudes here (there were times that only (well mostly) people who had a calling to work with children used to that) - there were some problems with the kids at first but then they accepted many things that were new to them - some of these kids learned Polish pretty good - then after a couple of years all of them had to go back to Korea - most of them had problems in fitting back into Korean realities - some even wanted to go back to Poland

there was a documentary on this sometime ago in Polish state TV

I can imagine.
It is crazy to cut yourself off from the world, the way that North Korea do but hey! it's their country.
It was similar in Lithuania when it was the U.S.S.R., they didn't even have freedom of movement in the country.
You had to get permission to go to the country side from the city and visa versa.
Except for Siberia, that seemed an easy enough place to go to, one way for a lot of people of course.

SeanBM

Have I said I don't like muslims? I dont like their sick religion.

I have friends from Iran who left that Sick ideology called Islam.

Some fanatical islamists decided to call wine water and drink it.

You seem to be unaware of who you hate, which I find typical of people who hate.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim]Muslim (Wiki)


Is that a loophole? :)

Very good comment, Seanny. We, as the West, have chosen them as our enemies. We have been tormenting and taunting them for many years and there has been payback time for us.

Also, we made the rules ourselves as to travel allowances. Refusing Muslim people entry because they are potential terrorists (very low probability ones, I mean) is absurd. The problem is, it's guilty by association and it's almost always the innocent people on the ground that suffer, those people who can be indifferent or even friendly towards Muslims.

Poland really doesn't need such a cafuffle though. Bosnia was ravaged by war and the EU really made a huge mess there. We don't need a repeat of that here.

It's actually fair enough - most EU countries deny residence to those staying after 3 months to those who aren't economically contributing in some way to the country, and I don't see why Ireland should be any different.