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Poland has low murder rate


Seanus  
4 Dec 2010 /  #31
The Poles enjoy discussing their society and few go haywire. Some get boozy and attack others but it rarely goes beyond that. Provocation between partners is not uncommon but it seems to be sth which is positive for them in getting things out in the open. They understand why they do it and I've had to come to terms with that too.

Murdering is not really part of the Slavic way when it comes to standard motives which drive most serial killers. Look at the size of Russia, for example, and see how few serials killers they have had in relation to a small island like Britain. It maybe is testament to how Slavs make do with their lot, without the meddling of their leaders, and that they can enjoy modest lives without overt displays of materialism.
Pinching Pete  
4 Dec 2010 /  #32
Having never had to deal with blacks and all the problems they bring

No they haven't but one would think that eventually they would grasp the crime statistics, look at the demographics.

Actually, I think the average Pole is more advanced in this regard than the western European.

Unfortunately, I have worked and lived in proximity to blacks for years.. and more often than not they are a group to AVOID. If they are not outright violent and intimidating they are beyond belief stupid and ignorant, like petulant children.

I've worked with a few that actually fell asleep in their chairs in an office. Of course, everyone was afraid to fire them because they were black. They go to school for free and when they are passed to avoid a lawsuit, companies have to hire them for fear of another lawsuit. If they were EQUAL they wouldn't need all these special favors all the time.
trener zolwia  
4 Dec 2010 /  #33
If they were EQUAL they wouldn't need all these special favors all the time.

It is a testament to the absolute backwards insanity of PC that such people are viewded as victims and anyone who disagrees with that false narrative is somehow considered to be the one with the problem.

Interesting stuff, Seanus.
ender  
4 Dec 2010 /  #34
murder statspoland at number 20

Please do not use statistics from nationmaster they are ignorant and obviously they don't know basic math that subject was discussed on this forum already but I'll try again.

Murders in:
United Stats: 16,204
Poland: 716

Population in:
United States: 303,824,640
Poland: 38,500,696

Murders per capita:
United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

I could explain that like: krowie na rowie but instead I ask you ignorant one question how can US murders per 1000 can be lower then Polish one when US population is bigger only 7.9 then Poland but in US is 23 more murders then In Poland.

If you are unable to answer that question I have to call you ignorant using statistics made by retards.

ALL 2008 RAW DATA HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM NATIONMASTER HE HE
in 2009 there was 729 murders in Poland more
Marynka11  
4 Dec 2010 /  #35
Murdering is not really part of the Slavic way when it comes to standard motives which drive most serial killers.

The Slavic mothers must know how to love their sons...
OP Polonius3  
4 Dec 2010 /  #36
One gets the impression that Poles sometimes refer to Ukrainian hitmen. A few years back I heard one could get an expert 'od mokrej roboty' at Jarmark Europa for 5,000 zlots. Anyone hear of this? And why Ukrainian? Why not Lithuanian or Romanian Gipsy or Vietnamese?
Wroclaw  
4 Dec 2010 /  #37
One gets the impression that Poles sometimes refer to Ukrainian hitmen.

indeed so

for 5,000 zlots

and less

And why Ukrainian?

not sure. but i have heard that it's ex army guys.
hague1cmaeron  
4 Dec 2010 /  #38
Shouldn't something be done? Lowest in the EU!

I know that is disgusting
trener zolwia  
4 Dec 2010 /  #39
Ukrainian hitmen. A few years back I heard one could get an expert 'od mokrej roboty' at Jarmark Europa for 5,000 zlots.

Cheap. I've heard that it costs about $10K to get someone bumped off over here.

his place being broken into after purchasing a new TV, etc.

This is actually worth noting here too.

Back in, say, the 1970's whenever a family was fortunate enough to be able to purchase an expensive new home appliance they'd proudly put the big empty box out at the curb for the trashmen to take, hoping all their neighbors would see it. It was a bit of bragging, of flaunting their prosperity, earning them a small degree of prestige among their peers. (This is in part how the term 'Keeping up with the Jones' came to be.)

Nowadays, no one dares put that box out at the curb where others would see it -particularly in urban (black) areas. Now they try to slip the new TV into the house when no one is watching and hide the box and find a way to dispose of it discretely.

The very last thing they want to do is broadcast to the homies that they have a brand new flat screen TV in the house. Doing so would just be inviting a break-in robbery or armed home invasion.

Again, this has nothing to do with poverty or need and everything to do with blacks' caveman criminal mentality of just taking something they want without working for it. And most often the target of their crimes are whitey whom they have been taught to resent for long ago historical grievances. They feel entitled, like whitey owes it to them.
convex  
4 Dec 2010 /  #40
Again, this has nothing to do with poverty or need and everything to do with blacks' caveman criminal mentality of just taking something they want without working for it. And most often the target of their crimes are whitey whom they have been taught to resent for long ago historical grievances. They feel entitled, like whitey owes it to them.

For what it's worth, a friend of a friend in Fort Worth, who is about as Mexican as one can be, shot two white folks while they were breaking into his house. You can google it if you want :)

Criminality is closer related to socioeconomic status than race. Now, the question is, why are certain groups of people in that economic class. Because of the culture? Opportunities? Discrimination? Genetics?

Same goes for Poland... my vote is destructive culture due to nannying. Cayman Islands vs Haiti... Same demographics, one is a cesspit of violence, and the other is about as dangerous as Switzerland...
trener zolwia  
4 Dec 2010 /  #41
For what it's worth, a friend of a friend in Fort Worth, who is about as Mexican as one can be, shot two white folks while they were breaking into his house. You can google it if you want

The rare anecdotal story hardly invalidates the rule. Over here by and large minorities -primarily blacks- are the violent criminals. The demographics of our prison population is one testament to this.

Criminality is closer related to socioeconomic status than race. Now, the question is, why are certain groups of people in that economic class. Because of the culture? Opportunities? Discrimination? Genetics?

Again, poverty does not equal crime as there are many, many poor people who do not resort to crime. And there's never any excuse for violent crime. Ever.

No, crime leads to poverty a whole lot more than poverty leads to crime.

It's mostly the mindset of the black culture. This is The Land Of Opportunity. And anymore discrimination against minorities is a myth. If anything, whites get discriminated against more here today. And we're not permitted to ponder how genetics factors into all this; that's not PC. :s
convex  
4 Dec 2010 /  #42
It's mostly the mindset of the black culture. This is The Land Of Opportunity. And anymore discrimination against minorities is a myth. If anything, whites get discriminated against more here today. And we're not permitted to ponder how genetics factors into all this; that's not PC. :s

Who's talking about discrimination. I'm just saying that the Caymans are a safer place to live than the US, even with a majority black population...

Surely with that in consideration, you can't defend "blacks" being the problem, maybe "piece of shit criminals" is the problem? Why not just rail against that? Whites, blacks, mexicans, asians, whatever....

What is it about "black culture" that makes them criminals?
trener zolwia  
4 Dec 2010 /  #43
Who's talking about discrimination.

You brought it up.

I'm just saying that the Caymans are a safer place to live than the US, even with a majority black population...

Again, the rare exception to the rule. Look at that list of countries again... or look at much of black Africa... or every black urban area in America...

with that in consideration, you can't defend "blacks" being the problem

They're the problem here.

maybe "piece of **** criminals" is the problem? Why not just rail against that?

Why ignore reality? Who does that serve other than the black criminals? That's like the Lying Lib Media railing against Bush for every little stupid thing but then they give Obama a pass even on big things. Crap.

What is it about "black culture" that makes them criminals?

Ask them. For one thing they have been raised on a steady diet of 'whitey was mean to us years ago' and all that continues the black bitterness today. They consider it paybacks. They really feel as if they are owed something for events that took place long before they were even alive. And they spend their lives with that racial chip on their shoulders.

As for the Hispanics... You ever go to one of the resorts in say, Mexico or the Bahamas? They're very nice and plush... and they're all surrounded by 16 foot high fences with the perimeter patrolled by guards in paramilitary uniforms carrying automatic weapons. Makes you feel safe... also makes you wonder just what they are protecting you from beyond the compound fence. It's like the Green Zone in Iraq.
convex  
4 Dec 2010 /  #44
You brought it up.

You mentioned genetics....

Again, the rare exception to the rule. Look at that list of countries again... or look at much of black Africa... or every black urban area in America...

Looks like the majority consists of white Europeans mixed with Indians...

They're the problem here.

Do you have problems with middle class black people where you live? How about rich blacks?

Why ignore reality? Who does that serve other than the black criminals? That's like the Lying Lib Media railing against Bush for every little stupid thing but then they give Obama a pass even on big things. Crap.

Because the problem is criminals, not blacks. To solve the problem, you first figure out who is causing the problem. In the US, just like th rest of the world, it's poor people. Poor blacks, whites, mexicans...

Ask them. For one thing they have been raised on a steady diet of 'whitey was mean to us years ago' and all that continues the black bitterness today. They consider it paybacks. They really feel as if they are owed something for events that took place long before they were even alive. And they spend their lives with that racial chip on their shoulders.

Some of them do, sure, the vast majority are just in a fucked situation and don't have the balls to bring themselves out of it. The question is, how do we deal with that? Would your kid succeed in a downtown Baltimore school? If so, why? If not, why not? How can you and I help to fix that and make them productive members of society? Are those kids lost? Do they need to be exterminated?

As for the Hispanics... You ever go to one of the resorts in say, Mexico or the Bahamas? They're very nice and plush... and they're all surrounded by 16 foot high fences with the perimeter patrolled by guards in paramilitary uniforms carrying automatic weapons. Makes you feel safe... also makes you wonder just what they are protecting you from beyond the compound fence. It's like the Green Zone in Iraq.

Never been to any resorts, did drive from Austin to San Salvador in an old beat up Regal though.
Teffle  
4 Dec 2010 /  #45
... they can enjoy modest lives without overt displays of materialism.

Would this not be contrary to a lot of observations on contemporary Polish life? By Poles too I might add.

I'm sure there has been plenty of b1tching on this forum about how materilaistic Poles can be?

Not something that I've noticed much myself though.
trener zolwia  
4 Dec 2010 /  #46
Do you have problems with middle class black people where you live? How about rich blacks?

No. But again, they are the exception to the rule. They're not violent criminals so they are proof that a life of crime leads to poverty. They're also proof that our country doesn't discriminate.

To solve the problem, you first figure out who is causing the problem. In the US, just like th rest of the world, it's poor people. Poor blacks, whites, mexicans...

Mostly blacks. No sense trying to deny reality. I don't play that PC game.

the vast majority are just in a ****** situation and don't have the balls to bring themselves out of it.

There's that black culture. You never, ever, see white ghettos here. Even in lower class white places you never see destroyed slums like we do in every single black urban area of every single city. You gonna tell me poverty translates to vandalism too? Littering?

white Europeans

It's like the difference between Poland and Africa.

Would your kid succeed in a downtown Baltimore school? If so, why? If not, why not?

No. My kid would get endlessly attacked by the racist savages because he would be white.

The question is, how do we deal with that? ... How can you and I help to fix that and make them productive members of society?

Not our problem to fix.

Do they need to be exterminated?

Now, now... We need to let them continue to kill one another in their self-wrought urban jungles.
convex  
4 Dec 2010 /  #47
No. But again, they are the exception to the rule. They're not violent criminals so they are proof that a life of crime leads to poverty. They're also proof that our country doesn't discriminate.

Absolutely.

Mostly blacks. No sense trying to deny reality. I don't play that PC game.

Here's a PC game for you, explain crime in Russia. Is it because of blacks? Asians?

There's that black culture. You never, ever, see white ghettos here. Even in lower class white places you never see destroyed slums like we do in every single black urban area of every single city.

I would tend to disagree. Just about every mid sized city in "middle America" has white ghettos full of meth addicts, thieves, and all around worthless people. I can name plenty of places in Texas and Oklahoma..

It's like the difference between Poland and Africa.

Don't quite understand the comment, but again, the majority of the countries on the naitonmaster list are White Europeans mixed with Indians.

No. My kid would get endlessly attacked by the racist savages because he would be white.

And if your kid were black? P.S., plenty of successful white kids from BPS

Not our problem to fix.

Why not? Wouldn't you like to see the problem solved? What is your solution?

Now, now... We need to let them continue to kill one another in their urban jungles.

Fair enough, a solution is a solution.
SeanBM  
4 Dec 2010 /  #48
proof that a life of crime leads to poverty.

So poverty must be what attracts people to the life of crime?
I just don't think that's the way it works.
trener zolwia  
4 Dec 2010 /  #49
explain crime in Russia

It's not on a level like our black urban areas. And a lot of Russian crime is Mob related. Organized crime is hardly poverty related either.

I would tend to disagree. Just about every mid sized city in "middle America" has white ghettos full of meth addicts, thieves, and all around worthless people. I can name plenty of places in Texas and Oklahoma..

No. Sure there are pockets. Losers come in all flavors. But they're nothing like every single black area of every single city. They're not even comparable. You don't see block after block of destroyed buildings, that look like something out of WWII Europe after the Germans came through, in any white areas like we do in black areas.

the majority of the countries on the naitonmaster list are White Europeans mixed with Indians.

If American Blacks were their own country they would top the world list of murders per capita.

And if your kid were black?

Then my wife would have some explaining to do. And I'd have me a little servant! :D

Wouldn't you like to see the problem solved?

Sure. But I don't want the solution to cost me any more than it already has.
Blacks with all their social and criminal issues have cost us trillions over the years. And we haven't seen much of a return. Enough is enough.

So poverty must be what attracts people to the life of crime?
I just don't think that's the way it works.

I don't understand what you're saying here. You words seem to agree with what I said.
convex  
4 Dec 2010 /  #50
It's not on a level like our black urban areas. And a lot of Russian crime is Mob related. Organized crime is hardly poverty related either.

It's worse, and what is called "gang" in the US is called "mob" over here

But they're nothing like every single black area of every single city. They're not even comparable. You don't see block after block of destroyed buildings, that look like something out of WWII Europe after the Germans came through, in any white areas like we do in black areas.

I can't speak for urban areas, but in mid size cities, there are blocks upon blocks of duplexes and tenement housing that look like warzones. Lawton Oklahoma, or Midwest City, or Wichita Falls...

If American Blacks were their own country they would top the world list of murders per capita.

Liberia is ok right now, my next destination actually...

Then my wife would have some explaining to do. And I'd have me a little servant! :D

But seriously, just close your eyes and imagine for me, say you adopt a kid from Mali, being the kind spirit that you are...

Sure. But I don't want the solution to cost me any more than it already has.
Blacks with all their social and criminal issues have cost us trillions over the years. And we haven't seen much of a return. Enough is enough.

Sure, stupid solutions are enough, would you be willing to spend money to get rid of the problem? I would. Problem is, no decent solution has been presented. Lets present one. And if it's attacked, both you and I will defend it. Use the Independents....
Wlad  
15 Jan 2011 /  #51
Seanus, your comment amount Poland not having a big mafia, LOL. why do you think the murder rate was so high before? Poland has a huge organized crime scene, you dont think that because what? You don't see guys throwing up gangs signs or wearing some stupid colors? They don't like to attract attention and if you read reports or actually know anything about organized crime you would know the groups in Poland stopped the killings because it was attracted tons of attention. USA even sent $ for training for policing on organized crime. Now its all about money and being international, they supply EU with alot of things. I love how so many people on here talk about things they dont know about
isthatu2  
16 Jan 2011 /  #52
SeanBM:
How many wars have you seen?
A few.

I dont think he meant on TV...

And now for something I was looking at with this thread before all that:
List of countries by intentional homicide rate

How the heck is the USA so much higher up the list than Afganistan?!

Organized war waging is actually quite civilized.

lmfao.......ah,the civilised firebombing of Hamburg,the civilised battle of Verdun,the civilised german activities in namibia,the Belguins in the Congo,the civilised cannon barrel excecutions of the indian mutiny....us white folks are paragons of virtue compared to those darker skinned types arnt we?

We see this a lot from the Europe folks. Having never had to deal with blacks and all the problems they bring, they have bought into the Lib Media narrative that blacks are all just poor victims of mean ol' whitey.

Lol,is that why Ive been told by freinds not to bother visitin the part of london my family lived in in the 1930s.
We have our fair share of thugs who happen to be black,and pretty damm rascist against us "white folks" too,but we also have plenty of white thugs to balance things out a bit,Im sure no white american ever commited a gruesome murder though,gosh lord no.

Look at the size of Russia, for example, and see how few serials killers they have had in relation to a small island like Britain.

They do have rather larger forests and quite a few more young people who could suddenly not be around for any number of reasons.Oh,and not to mention rather more of a tradition of covering up embarresing crimes.

Seanus, your comment amount Poland not having a big mafia, LOL.

Maybe they have spread,I have friends in the British and Dutch Police who could tell you where some of them are for sure.
Teffle  
16 Jan 2011 /  #53
How the heck is the USA so much higher up the list than Afganistan?!

Homocide does not = war. Very different statistic.

Poland not having a big mafia

This is a pet hate. Mafia. The only "mafia" is Italian or Italian American.

I think the "Russian mafia" was the first use of this silliness.

Nearly every single country in the developed world has organised crime at some level - that's all it is.

I remember speaking about organised crime in Ireland to a Polish girl and she was incredulous "What? An Irish mafia? LOL"

Eh ... yes ... no country has the monopoly on organised crime.
George8600  
16 Jan 2011 /  #54
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
isthatu2  
16 Jan 2011 /  #55
Homocide does not = war. Very different statistic.

Im not even counting "war" deaths,I mean "honour Killings" bandit attacks,kiddnapings that go wrong all that sort of stuff,its not "rascist" to state the bleedin obvious that afganistan is and always was a very violant place,with a code of blood feuds .
Teffle  
16 Jan 2011 /  #56
Ok, but it's also not racist either I suppose to suggest that stats like this are hardly likely to be available or to be trusted in countries like this anyway? : )
isthatu2  
16 Jan 2011 /  #57
Too true,I mean,most of the victims are women so,well,they just dont count as much except as property....god,I hate saying this,so yes,I admit there maybe is a smidge of liberal brainwashing,but then again,no,its just that I fear by pointing out that a non white non christian country feeds into the hands of the nutters of both extremes,the loony strand of liberals(trust me,i grew up surrounded by them,my mum was a Psych grad) can be just as bad sometimes as the loony rightwing types.

If I say I cant stand the idea of positive discrimination/affermative action, I get lumped in with the loony right;
if on the other hand I say most crime is situational and not genetic I get lumped in with the loony liberal(tho to me calling them liberal is an oxymoron as this strand seem the most iliberal of all) side.

Ah well,win/win...lose/lose...
Teffle  
16 Jan 2011 /  #58
If I say I cant stand the idea of positive discrimination/affermative action, I get lumped in with the loony right;
if on the other hand I say most crime is situational and not genetic I get lumped in with the loony liberal(tho to me calling them liberal is an oxymoron as this strand seem the most iliberal of all) side.
Ah well,win/win...lose/lose...

LOL - sounds familiar, I can empathise. The dilemma of the 21st century do-gooder!

Anyway, we all know and accept that the US will always have a high murder rate - you are all mad and you all have guns - simple ; )
isthatu2  
16 Jan 2011 /  #59
The dilemma of the 21st century do-gooder!

The other being." I know historicaly and culturaly you black guys have had it a bit tough around these parts but....jeez, maybe if you stopped dressing like five year olds/clowns,pulled your bloody trousers up above your ar se,talking like bloomin slaves on the plantation...I mean,"Arsk" and "Axs" (for ASK ) were words used by the scots american slave overseers you muppets not some black power speak!!! and maybe stopped acting like the white wold owed you something,sorry Brutha,but when your ancestors were being freed by british warships mine were being carried by them as indentured workers kicked out of their highlands home,Ive more right to be peed off here than you!!!! ARGHHHHHH

rant over..

Anyway, we all know and accept that the US will always have a high murder rate - you are all mad and you all have guns - simple ; )

When mad people get guns it doesnt matter where they live,USA,Finland,Germany,UK,all have had tragic school massacres, here in the uk we had two armed rampages last year too....mind you,as I write that i think "2,and I cant remember any before that untill the late 90s" so maybe.....
jonnyl77  
4 Feb 2011 /  #60
Thats because their all over here in england

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