POLAND LEAVING WHAT COUNTRY FOR A BETTER LIFE??

I don't think his interests lay in the metal-industry.

Anyway, who's leaving what country for a better life? Hm, I am spending my last 12 to 18 months here in Ireland saving as much as I can and then go for a year to the US to stay with my family for a while, travel around a bit, full on sabbatical and after that I go back to NL. Should be good.

>^..^<

M-G (still up)

It's better to get in-demand qualifications, even if it's not exactly what he'd like, than to be jobless and frustrated.

Well, he wants to go to college next year and study psychology, at least that's what I understand. But indeed, if he didn't have any other prospects it would be a good idea to learn sth that is in demand. Although I have to admit that over here I haven't seen that much vacancies for CNC-programmers. But that could be because Ireland doesn't have such a big metal-industry.

>^..^<

M-G (off to bed. Goodnight.)

Pull it off as what? an electrician, theres no work here unless you start your own business other than English teacher. Its really, really difficult to make money here.

Most Poles cant even make it what chance would you have?

WB has a point here. It's really not that easy to step into positions as even Poles struggle. It sometimes takes picking up scraps, even as a teacher. Things can change at the drop of a hat so you have to be quite selfish here.

If you don,t speak the language , and don,t have a pile of money to set you up then life is a struggle...I have had five years of this struggle...

There are lots of oportunities in Poland to make money , but without the language skills and the money to exploit these oportunities you will be left trying to compete with the Poles , who are much better equipped for the struggle to survive in Poland..

I am now going to head to Russia....at this rate i can see myself as a goat herder in Tibet..!

I dont know why people are always saying its a stuggle in Poland, it isnt. Rent is cheap, food is cheap and you will be able to get something. Although I dont like Dutch people so maybe dont come.

Rent and food are not cheap now, relative to salaries. If you shop in Biedronka, then maybe.

Relative to salaries you can eat out for 2/3 of an hour's wages!!!!
You can't eat out for Euro6 anywhere else I have ever been.

You make a good point about Bedronka and maybe I have lower standards. I do however have a nice one bed flat and pretty much do, eat and drink what I want. I dont buy expensive clothes, holidays etc but I am a simple man with simple tastes and as I only plan to be here a while I find it very easy to sustain myself here working part time hours.

So if I were you I'd move.

I have a cousin in Germany, he's been there for some 20 years, since his mom took him there after his father died back in Poland in the 90's. (They had more family in Germany). He's been talking about moving back his whole life, maybe as a "dream" or just to have something to think about. But the other day I talked to him on the phone and he said he was giving up Poland and staying in Germany. Mostly becasue of the kids in school and that he just "outgrew" Poland after so many years, but he also claimed that Poland was getting too expensive! Now, I don't live in Poland or Germany, so I can't compare. But he says only a few things in the shops are cheaper, like sausages, bread and milk, but the rest was cheaper in Germany...his wife mentioned a piece of garlic for 7 zl, when they went there this summer (maybe an import?), which she really was upset about. And I remember he mentioned that electronics were also more expensive in Poland than in Germany. Now, if they earn less, but things are more expensive...I don't see that working out for a normal Polish family..

Dariusz

It isn't a struggle if you lead a modest life style, that's true. I try to do this. I almost never buy new clothes, preferring to go to Lumpeks :) I got 3 pairs of fine trousers for under 30PLN (together). They are like new :) Also, I buy food which is nearing its sell-by date and it's half price. It can be cheap if you look in the right places :)

High end goods are indeed more expensive, solve the problem by renting/buying a furnished property, bring your existing PC and buy an adaptor.

I have lived in London and I bring home much less now that I did them, relativley though I live a much much much better life, unbelievably so. I am actually saving money for the first time since University.

I love the place oh and have you heard about the women?!?!?!

Seanus if you are being sarcastic and implying that is what I do you are very wrong. For a 26-year-old fella I live fantastically.
And electronics are a once a year purchase i dont know why everybody cries about them so much.

I think AJ should look up if there are some language schools to learn dutch. I heard some ppl needs to learn dutch as they going to work in Netherlands. It would be a bad idea.

I don't think he needs to learn Dutch ;) ;) ;) Not many schools offer that but he could find some demand in bigger cities, perhaps.

Ha...not in Poland....the Chinese made junk will fail to work after two months and you will have to buy another...

Is it so bad that you have to eat out of date food??? dont believe you.

Not out of date, no. Approaching its best before date. I mean yoghurts and all kinds of other things. I eat them on the same day as I buy them. OK, I don't earn over 6,000PLN like I used to but over 4k is fine :)

Isn't that a good 90% of food in the shops...

Oh I forgot Seanus... you're Scotish! ;DDDD ;P

Here, yes :) It's good that they check but sometimes I have to point it out to them. If I can change the topic a bit, I'm surprised with the way Mars has gone. They are tiny and overpriced. In Scotland, I remember a big, chunky bar that would really keep you going for a good price.

Think Scottish, think sense! Maybe that's why I'm richer than many here :)

Just to correct that, quite a bit of the imported/expensive food is usually very close of past the best before date. Check your labels...

That's true and that's why I check labels as a matter of course.

Ahh the things we do to earn a crust.

Wildrover is bang on the money you need capital to exploit nieche markets, if you dont have that as a foreigner youre up the creek without a paddle. Even with that considering the Poles that have spread accross Europe over the years most has been done already.

Ive seen many foreigners come and go, off-ski with their tail between their legs.

You can be an oscypek dealer, wildrover :) That's a mighty fine cheese :)

What something might that be dudeski? come on spill the beans.

Wonder where on earth she was buying it, because it certainly wasn't in any normal place.

Imported garlic! now thats either a complete set of bull shite or one of the biggest scams going.

Have to come back for that one, i mean come on imported garlic, thats like buying imported grass for your back garden. What a crock of shite, hey Amaythyst?

The chinese are exporting it like mad. No sh*t.

Made in China

It may very well be sh*t...