"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

Brazil has had a rather large Mercedes plant, I believe in the north of the country. The workers are of course Brazilian native, but the chief quality inspectors, as with most outsourced products on the market from countries such as Germany or Switzerland, aren't Brazilians, but rather Germans and Swiss!

Another act of a cultural enrichment in Germany I believe.

DW doesn't even say that they were Syrians

How can we still believe what German press have to say?

dw.com/en/germany-eight-arrested-for-rape-in-freiburg/a-46060138
rt.com/news/442421-germany-gang-rape-migrants
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teenager-gang-raped-eight-men-13484431

Tbh, I can clearly see in the indicated article of DW that they were Syrians:

Eight men were arrested in the idyllic German city of Freiburg on Friday in connection with the rape of an 18-year-old woman. Police said that seven of the suspects were Syrian men aged 19 to 29, and one native German aged 25.

What's your agenda in accusing the German press of unfair reporting, whereas you unfairly report what they have siad?

He's very keen on pushing things that you see first from pro-government journalists online, while downplaying and ignoring real issues such as compensation from the Russian Federation for the damage that their troops caused between 1992-1994 in Poland.

You're right, Ziemowit. My bad that I missed it. I still uphold my point about cultural enrichment in Germany though.

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Nearly ALL of Ms. Merkel's actions to date have been predicated on trying to "rectify" her nation's often unspeakable recent past. The Syrian migrants issue is but the tip of the iceberg.

I appreciate that you are not Ms. Merkel, but could you try to explain how inviting Muslims, who hate Jews, into Germany and, possibly, Poland "rectifies" anything?

Inviting and coddling them compared to jailing and killing them.

I would say that is a mighty fine try for a rectification.

Germany can't do it right, can't it....killing minorities is frowned upon by the neighbours...coddling them too...*sighs dramatically and shakes head*

Such as? The only action that comes close to what you are implying was to allow the somewhat unchecked immigration of a large number of refugees and economic migrants. And even there you could argue that Merkel only wanted to help out Greece and Italy who were simply overrun by migrants at that time. The people were already on European soil, and it's actually Turkey and those that started the mess in the Middle East who are really to blame for the current situation in Europe.


That's the curse powerful countries have to live with, I'm afraid. The Americans get blamed all the time because of their military and economic power.

Nah, I like Andrew Hammel's take - she's a caretaker who lasted so long by never saying anything interesting or pushing any interesting policy and who's most notable style was not doing anything. Her big decisions were all reactive in nature and once she's gone it will be as if she had never been (and German government is designed so that the no matter who is Chancellor the important decisions are made by judges and functionaries).

...do you have a link for me?


Thing is the only time she broke with this rule was 2015, and this was her downfall...


Agreed...

Yes, it's deliberately designed that way. I was doing a lot of reading on how the Federal Republic came into being, and it's very obvious that the Western Allies saw a bureaucratic German political system as being the best option for post-war Germany. With the Federal Constitutional Court being in Karlsruhe and several ministries (including defence) remaining in Bonn, there was a very obvious and clear desire to stop the Federal Republic from centralising things, though the CDU in particular are guilty of trying to get around the federal structure as much as possible.

I think this is one reason why Germany has been so successful as a country, because they operate on consensus rather than through the will of a political grouping that has a narrow minority.

*nods*

Consensus and powerful federal states...makes decision-finding slow and cumbersome but guarantees stability! Nothing happens quick and overnight in Germany...

Well.. 2015 being the one big exception as Merkel used her "Kanzler Vorrecht", without asking the parliament or her neighbours. But then the refugees were already stranded on the Autobahns...not much time for long wired decision-finding.

Today the consensus in Germany is mainly that this was the only human decision...it was after all only about 3000 people, the big error was that she didn't communicate clearly that this was a one time decision only.

But millions in the third world did take that as invitation, and that's where the bruhaha started. In the end over 1 million people stormed Germany, totally overwhelming the country and the people.

It's on his twitter feed. twitter.com/andrewhammel1

His take on the refugee crisis was easily the most insightful. He resisted the hyperbole about the end of Germany etc but the government took on a major burden that will be paid by taxpayers for generations. He got a lot of flack in the beginning but all of his gloomy predictions panned out. It was clear from the beginning that a large percentage of arrivals would resist integration (and many would fail to integrate in any meaningful way even if they wanted to) and that a large percentage of them were clearly not right in the head (he had a post, since deleted, that explained their over representation among the 2015 arrivals).


What about her decision to stop using nuclear power in Germany after Fukushima? What's the background (and current situation) on that?

She is "Mutti"...incredibly fine tuned to her electorate. After Fukushima the mood in the german populace was to nearly 100% against nuclear power (besides a few experts and the workers in these plants that is).

A mood the Green party of course mightily profited, after all they were the warner for decades now. So as it was Merkel's now famous/infamous MO she grabbed the initiative and stole the Greens the topic and made it her own. That guaranteed her again lotsa approval and votes and left her political opponents empty handed standing in the rain...again.

Again, 2015 was totally against her usual MO, the one and only time...and it broke her neck. (But it must be said that there was alot of support to let the people from the autobahns in at first...it was the never ending stream in consequence to that which proved to be so destructive)

Having just quit the CSU, allegedly for the sake of "unifying" her badly splintered party, can't say as I blame her!
Only thing is, who will steer the ship of state with any of her practical experience? I wouldn't trust Soeder, von der Leyen, Seehofer or Lindner as far as I could spit.

All right, she overshot with the Syrian question, not reckoning on anti-Semitism coming from other sources, not necessarily white European.
Maybe this will be an opportunity for her to retrench and decide how best to serve her people.

Great point I have been banging on about Angela on this forum for years, I now will have to worry about her replacement, it might be a case of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire, ooops

If it's any of the above-mentioned four, just hold your head between your legs and kiss your ass bye-bye.
The AfD or PEGIDA in the wake of Pittsburgh are simply too overwhelmingly frightening to even consider in jest!

My bet is on Friedrich Merz...the german press just dubbed him the "Anti-Merkel".

A longstanding enemy of her's since she nearly destroyed him alot of years back...he is seen as a "real" conservative who could steer the CDU back to it's old roots with the chance to re-collect alot of miffed now-AfD voters.

At the beginning in December the party members will have to decide...between Merkel's crown princess AKK which would mean a "keep at it" or a course correction with Merz (there are alot of other candidates still too...but...well....)

PS: Right now it's about her CDU leadership only, not her being chancellor...but should Merz be elected as new CDU leader the experts don't expect she will stay there for much longer.

The public opinion is so naive and so easily manipulated. And those who knows how to do it are a major winners.

Japan is a land of constant earthquakes and that's what lead to tragedy. In the US there're close to 100 nuclear reactors and some of them are half a century old. Yet no nuclear disaster ever happened in the US.

Nuclear energy is "the greenest" energy per Wat that you can get.

independent.co.uk/news/science/nuclear-power-is-the-greenest-option-say-top-scientists-9955997.html

The implications of her departure are pretty heavy for Poland as well. Few German politicians showed so many sympathy and understanding for Poland. There is no guarantee that her successor will be similiary inclined.

Some are already missing her, even as she is not gone yet...

Poland: relief for constancy in the Chancellery

Poland, like France, recognized Merkel's decision and announced cooperation until the end of her mandate. Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland Jacek Czaputowicz He welcomed the announcement of Merkel on Monday in Warsaw, which would remain Chancellor in 2021, even after having renounced the presidency of the CDU. "The most important thing for us is the declaration that Merkel will remain Chancellor until the end of his term," said Czaputowicz.

Warsaw recognizes the "important role" of Merkel in the reform of the European Union, as well as its "important place in the history of the European Union in recent years", said the minister of the Polish right-wing government. On Friday, Merkel will travel with several Cabinet members for German-Polish intergovernmental consultations in the Polish capital.

The left liberal newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza writes: "The twilight of his political career is bad news for Poland." In Germany, no politically educated politicians have ruled in recent history. "

archynewsy.com/this-is-how-the-world-reacts-to-merkels-withdrawal

No joke, but I would miss her too.

She consolidated the V4 and she has helped to secure the majority in Parliament for a conservative party in Poland.

She has also showed us that Germany make dangerous political mistakes and that they don't have to necessarily occupy a leading role in Europe.

Which is why I won't miss her at all......

We gonna miss those times when Germany's worst political mistake would be letting refugees in...

Miroslaw, won't you even miss those puppies?

"The founder of Germany's xenophobic and anti-Islam Pegida movement has appeared in court on hate speech charges for allegedly branding refugees "cattle" and "scum" on social media".

Just to make sure that I will never go to Europe (to the delight of so many posters here):
I, Richard Mazur, hereby claim that "refugees" are human garbage and the scum nobody wants.
Now the question is how do I deliver this statement to the thought police of the EU. Is there an emoji for the middle finger?

I think it's important to reveal and hold accountable the root cause of these middle eastern entanglements the West finds itself quagmired in, the "refugee" crisis and the aggressions against Russia. These careless, reckless and destructive cataclysms originate from the same place.

Migrant arrested for sexually assaulting three women and several sheep and goats in Germany

voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/migrant-arrested-for-sexually-assaulting-three-women-and-several-sheep-and-goats-in-germany

It doesn't say if the sheeps were happy about it

Hey, if they weren't complaining..... that means they like it.

As a few have noted, a disproportionate number of the Merkeljugend are not quite right in the head... so this is the type of thing that happens when you let a bunch of borderline people from repressive authoritarian cultures and overstimulate them in an advanced liberal culture.