"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

That's the question...which Germany do you mean?

This Germany where millions of citizens not only don't have german roots but have heritages from former victim countries of the Nazis?

What have they to atone for?

Nothing it's over its nowt to do with your generation so you need to atone for nothing, but lest we all remember the horrors of past history and not make the same mistakes.

P.S just stop referring to "Polish death camps" in your press and keep out of Polish politics and all will be kline.

I'm sure they are working on that...

After 2015 many of them have started moving back to Poland. I personally know a few Polish families who moved back, not only from Germany but also from other western countries like Sweden.

The reason? => Sudden refugee influx and improving job market in Poland.

And I'm talking about families with kids in schools, and not some young mobile digital nomads. A regular folks who are concerned enough to quit everything and move back.

This will be visible in future statistics.

Spike, look at the statistics, they are giving a better picture than some limited personal experience. Net migration to Germany from Poland has actually increased, and there have been quite a lot of articles how Polish families have helped stabilizing dying communities, especially in Western Pommerania.


Perhaps some individuals, but the trend goes in the opposite direction. You can see the same (if not more pronounced) with Hungary. Orban is constantöy ranting about refugees, while all the young Hungarians are leaving. Well, Germany does benefit from it, but it is still sad seeing a country bleeding out.

That's what immigration apologists say. What they don't say is how many immigrants is too many.
Why? Because the first statement is effortless. The second one requires work and is not popular with the brainless masses and the ruling class, as it could lead to a conclusion that the limit has been exceeded long time ago. That, in turn, would mean that we would have to shut down immigration immediately - a totally unacceptable move in the world of political correctness.

Now now, he's trying to spread propaganda on here, how dare you quote statistics?

Net immigration was around -0.4 from what I remember, meaning that Poles are still leaving Poland.

Spike doesn't like polls, surveys and statistics so much....numbers generally are a problem....he prefers personal opinions...

...and there is another aspect:
(That is an article from January this year)


thelocal.de/20180105/the-poles-who-have-sought-sanctuary-from-their-stifling-homeland-in-germany


A polish opinion just for Spike:


Of course there is also a statistic for Orban's Hungary:


dailynewshungary.com/how-many-people-do-you-think-emigrate-from-hungary-latest-statistics


Germany is THE immigration destiny in Europe...not only for Africans or Muslims, but also for Eastern Europeans...astounding. As everybody knows how hated and despised Germany is...not to mention overrun by rapists and knife murderers...and still the people keep coming...leaving their own clean, orderly, safe, muslim-free countries in droves.

I wonder why that is...

That is for Dirk:

Just add the numbers and you will see that the european immigration to Germany offsets any african/muslim immigration by far....

There is absolutely no danger for Germany to become a muslimized or africanized country or whatever you fear so much! We are already thoroughly polonized! :)

And now please put that record down and play another one, thank you....

Yes, and the PIS Pole dislikes immigration, and blacks/Asians in particular. Strangely it doesn't stop them from emigrating to Western Europe though.
Strange (insert prescribed level of sarcasm here_______)

It really seems that young people have alot less problems with all these foreigners swarming their streets...

It's probably only us old geezers worrying to much!

the verb ' to swarm' is usually used for insects. Any reason why you are likening people to insects? Nice bit of de-humanisation there. Only to be expectd.

Actually when "swarm" is used as a verb it could be insects, birds, fish, etc.
Used as a verb in that sense it could mean come together, assemble, congregate, meet, gather, etc.
So B.B. was correct in using the word swarm to describe the migrants on the streets.

I don't agree, being a linguist. Swarm is invariably used for insects. Using it to talk about people is dehumanising them. And we all know where that leads.

I am no linguist Roz however are you saying that a swarm of bees doesn't fall under my examples of:


Isn't that what bees do ?

yes well you take my point. It's not the best choice of verb. The first two definitions in any dictionary will mention insects.

A bit like when right wing newspapers choose verbs such as 'swamped' or 'flooded'.

My "Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English" says the following:

swarm - verb [Intransitive]; to move in a crowd or mass: As the fire spread, people came swarming out of the building. | The photographers swarmed round her.

However, BB was using swarm as a transitive verb (foreigners swarming their streets), so perhaps this is where the difference in usage lies ...

The first definition of swarm in any thesaurus (used as a verb) will refer to migration.
Yes Z, you are 100% correct, thank you.

thefreedictionary.com/swarm

As I said, it's dehumanizing. In my opinion.

Here we go, a nice long article about it here. Those of us with an attention span of less than five minutes can scroll to the end for the conclusion:

oxforddictionaries.com/2015/08/13/words-in-the-news-a-swarm-of-people/

However you can take note that the Oxford English Dictionary is apparently the only modern dictionary to acknowledge the potentially negative connotations of the word when applied to people. I always go with the Oxford on all matters related to the correct usage of English.

Please focus on the topic, everyone

That's why I use "human garbage". That Honduran human garbage moving toward us is both human so we can't shoot them and garbage because nobody wants them.

The same applies to Germany.

Rich Mazur, you are 'human garbage'.

That is why you have to say stuff like this, as it's the only way you can get any attention.

You are a sad lonely old man, probably sitting there in your dirty underpants wondering why nobody in real life likes you.

Maybe I should have put it in " " quotation marks....

But if someone WANTS to misunderstand there is nothing to stop him!

I wrote a long post about immigration and THAT little word is what you put your claws in....are you kidding me?

It's OK, you shouldn't worry about this. My Longman dictionary dates back to the 1990s and at that time no one had ever imagined the verb "swarm" to be negatively linked to the noun "immigrants" or "refugees" as political correctness was probably unheard of at that time.

You'd better watch out not to use the term "send someone into Polish death camps". Such a term (in die polnishen Vernichtungslager) was used on the website of the "Augsburge Allgemeine" in the article entitled "Der steinige Weg der Juden in Bayern" on 20 October, but after the Polish embassy in Berlin protested against it, the passage has been changed accordingly into:

Aus der jüdischen Gemeinde Fischach konnten noch 1939  42 Menschen auswandern, 56 jüdischen Fischacher deportierte die Polizei 1942 in die deutschen NS-Vernichtungslager auf tschechischem und polnischem Gebiet und nach Theresienstadt.

augsburger-allgemeine.de/bayern/Der-steinige-Weg-der-Juden-in-Bayern-id52496081.html

@Bratwurst Boy


Indeed, especially of you consider that European migration to Germany has been high since the start of the Euro debt crisis in 2009, which üredates the refugee crisis for several years.

Net migration from the EU has been over 400k last year alone.

Indeed, 2017 saw more arrivals from Eastern Europe than refugees.

google.de/amp/s/www.thelocal.de/20180412/growth-in-germanys-foreign-population-driven-by-immigration-from-eastern-europe/amp

The difference is that the European Immigrants arrived to work, learn the language, acclimate, follow the laws and contributed to said society.

I think I can safely say the polish protests have made their point. German journos became aware if this carelessness now...

Thing is when people use these immigration numbers like for example a high percentage of german children with foreign parents or such, they imply it's all black muslims now taking over.

That is a lie by omission...or...FAKE NEWS! :)

But somehow it fits them better to repeat these numbers and build an image of virtually "overrun" countries, which will probably soon not only change their form of government and their main religion but also their skin pigmentation and traditions!

no, not at all. Personally I think word choice is very important, very telling. But then as I already said, I am a linguist.

Take for example, that very famous speech by Winston Churchill (we will fight them on the beaches...etc) Every single word was carefully chosen by his speech writers, and every single word was Germanic based (eg the language of the people) except for the only French based word (the language of the ruling classes) which was 'surrender'.

See what I mean?

Well...you know that is an international discussion board where many members have a different native language than English. And nodbody here writes their posts with an Oxford diary beside them.

A bit lenience or a short question about their meaning would work much better than a strong accusation plain in the face, I can grant you that!

of course not, that is why I am pointing it out. Do you not think the power of words is interesting?
Personally I always thought you had a very high level of English, BB. I am not accusing you of anything, btw.