"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

Surprise, surprise. The top 3 German worries of 2016 (according to Deutshe Welle) are connected to muslim influx

Yes, it is! Join the modern times...the wars of the future won't happen of some military battlefield...your famous winged husars are useless there.

In the future it won't be Poland against Germany or Russia...the lines are drawn between economical blocs, fighting over the raw resources, and the power in space, the next unknown territory waiting to be conquered and partitioned.

If you think Germany will lose but their neighbor Poland will somehow still standing as a winner...tell that the Chinese or any other of the future rivals of Europe...the blocs are already being build as we speak. They don't care about our messed up past and sensitivities one bit!!!

Stop to see the future through the glasses of the past...you are for sure a future big time loser then.

Either we Europeans win all together, sit as equals between the power blocs of the future or we will lose all together! Meaning, if Germany loses, Poland loses too!


Well..being happy living in my country as it is is the one and only thing this "cultural war" needs to win. I am a winner already!

And I for sure don't need some foreigner telling me how to love my country and how to do it "right" and that how I do it is "wrong". And in the next sentences warn me to love my country at all because that is not "good"...

Are you for real??? LOL

Theres only a few things threatning wars of the future. One of them is communists, some are dictators and lets not forget my favourite...religious vomit.

Well...you can say the same about Germany....from the destroyed, partitioned pariah after '45 to the most respected and liked country on Earth...richer than many of the former victors.

But I would ask you one other thing....if so many bad things happened to Poland over the centuries, does that mean that the Poles made the wrong decisions over and over again? That at least their diplomacy and strategic planning sucks? To dumb to keep their country on the map???

And what means "resilience" to you? Being able to clean up the rubble and to avoid the errors next time which led that rubble in the first place? Or are you being proud of so much suffering and plan to repeat the same errors, eagerly awaiting the next coming destruction to show the world your "resilience"?

I disagree, these ideologies are old news...people concentrating on these old battlefields forget to watch the future...the partitioning of the resources of this planet is already happening...in tiny steps...the future power blocs are being build as we speak...in less than 50 years from now on most of it will already done, and who hasn't has staked this claims then will be left out to look for crumbs from the big ones tables...

In Europe the EU is our best and only chance! Even Germany can't do it alone, to think that any other european country will have a vote alone is ridiculous...

Yes resources for sure and may as well add climate change.

The coming climate change will be a catalyst...just think about the water...drowning towns and fields in one region...drought and thirst in another. Who rules the access to water will be boss!

I have to agree, its started here in the pacific already, with the sinking islands.

And that's only the beginning...

Sometimes I'm glad to be not that young anymore to get the full brunt of it....on the other hand I wish for a time machine to see it, heh:)

Depends what you want to see. Geology 101 for example says that sea floor has lots of give which means sea levels are going up a bit the floor sinks, this is finate. Eventually you run out of give and it builds quicker. This means more vulcanism on land from the surrounding pressure so we see more of that. Ofcourse this takes time silly humans dont live that long. Maybe we will see naples turn into something hotter for example.

Nope. The old Europe will loose. The Emerging Europe, Central Europe and post soviet states are more sane. We will survive. Germany were culturally stronger in the XIX century but now the tides changed and Poland has a much stronger cultural definition.

So your reality distortion may work in improving your mood, Bratwurst Boy, but it won't change facts.

I can look around me to see that we're standing strong. And when I go to Germany all I see is a state of decay.

But I have to thank Germany for their recent stupid political decisions. Thanks to that, those Poles (especially the old ones born in a communist state) who still had some inferiority complex towards the West, got cured. This rendered a great political shift in Poland. Like I said, the future is bright.

You are a Pole of the old school, aren't you? Don't be to surprised if you will be as "successfull"...

No need to use the word facts as they are not. They are just perceptions and theories to be played out.

@Bratwurst Boy


I'm a Pole that doesn't take any bullshit

You are a Pole living in London because Poland is so "resilient", right?

You wouldn't be the first expat to be doubly nationalist from afar...

Tick Tack Tick Tack Tick Tack

Do you hear that clock? Its old fashioned clock that have that sound. Its like a bell that mentioned Ernest Hemingway.

Well, this bell is for Germany. And it won`t be less of us Slavs when all is finished. And its not that Germany didn`t deserve it. What came after error, will go after error.

*pats Crowie*....sure...if that makes you happy too! :)

PS:

A real patriot loves his country!

You both on the other hand primarily hate other countries and wish for their destruction, that is no patriotism at all...

Germans are after these polls and surveys by far the better patriots!!! :)

You're right, Bratwurst Boy.

However, you also know the (not so) old saying: "Vom Volke der Dichter und Denker zum Volke der Richter und Henker" - From the nation of poets and thinkers,

to a nation of snitches and stinkers....freely translated by yours trulyLOL

My take on new-found German pride is mannifold. As a Jew, proud of his German heritage, one certainly can, indeed should, revel, if not bask, in the achievements

of Germany. They're a lot more than just bratwurst and beer at Oktoberfest every September, they're also deeper than merely fast cars and gleaming, teaming industrial

glass-and-steel mega structures, such as adorns Frankfurt am Main.

Regettably, as with the US, rarely do Germans of today sing the much deserved praises to their greatest voices, such as Goethe, Schiller, Fontane, Heine, Beethoven,

Duerer, Cranach, Kepler......, but instead solely to post-war material successes. Here at home, what do Americans do on Walt Whitman's birthday??!
Damned if I know. Most never even heard of the dude.LOL

As far as Germany preserving her "Germanness" as compared with similar posturings in contemporary Poland, I don't think modern Poles have the same sense of

latent shame as the Germans. "Polishness" is more a state of mind, rather than a reflection of economic accomplishments, of which, incidentally, there are many. Ever heard of the "Comeback City on the Vistula"? For generations, roughly from around '45 up through the end of the '80's, Germany had her nose rubbed royally in the Third Reich, 'till

it was comin' out of their ears, making the vast number of average folks out there sick and tired of hearing about the whole sordid business.

Pride is good, so long as it's tempered by reason:-)

.....and the truth lies, as always, somewhere in the middle...a "as well as" rather then a "either or".


Not even modern Germans have a sense of latent shame...


Believe it or not, as an East German pupil I never once was told to be ashamed of my Wehrmacht grand parents...visits in Buchenwald and personal class room talks with survivors of Ravensbrück not withstanding.

We were the anti-fascists, the good ones. We had the baddies beaten and would go on on the bright way of victory for socialism. The baddies of course sat all in West Germany! :)

Wow....german tabloid "BILD" posted an image of about 4000 latin americans nearing the US border, comparing it with Germany 2015...a "refugee caravan" mainly made up by Honduran(ians?)

I wonder what the US will do when they reach the border, the world will be watching...will he dare to shoot at women and children?

As I've been saying all along,a certain degree of national pride is healthy, in so far as it doesn't degenerate into empty jingoism!

The Third Reich for Germany, occupied collaborators for other countries, is for sure a source of bruising shame, as well it should be, no question.

The issue is to what extent are the sins of the parents eternally visited upon their children. Germany has a long shadow to jump over.What country doesn't?

Crow seems oblivious to that glaring fact! Germans have pride, and have regained the respect of the international community.

I personally have no problem with Germans.
I quite like them actually.....but they are generally disliked across Europe.
I can tell you that the Germans biggest "partner",The French,dislike them intensely......but sshhh.....nobody is supposed to know.....

@Bratwurst Boy

My home and my future is in Poland.

I'm a location independent specialist. I travel a lot and I learn. That's how I know that Poland is on a good track and doing well as compared to Western Europe. Everything looks more clear from afar. So you punny attempts at undermining my voice here on this forum are just pitiful :-)

Speaking of which, your [German] reputation in upper circles of Britain is not so great. While in many parts of the world being German is even somewhat almost prestigious, in London you're seen more like mechanically skilled mental peasants.

I thought that you may like to know this, Bratwurst Boy, since Germany always wanted to fruitlessly emulate Britain.

I think now the most recurring joke here is how you tried to build Berlin Brandenburg Airport and wanted to it to be as big as Heathrow :-)

Heh:) Trying to downtalk someone and to downplay his achievements is a sure sign of insecurity and a huge inferiority complex. Someone truly self assured just doesn't need to do it.

Psychology 101!

The more you talk that way about Germany the more you show everybody how obsessed with Germany you are. Shake hands with Crowie! :)


Is that so? Do you have a link for that?

I have one for you...


bbc.com/news/world-europe-22624104




As I said...this spiel about the downtrodden self-hating loser hated by everybody is mostly played by some chickens in fear of a to strong Germany...they seem to be able to sleep better if they can downtalk Germany at every turn...

Another of these global polls from last year:
(Oh how I love them!:)


edition.cnn.com/2017/11/17/world/nation-brand-ranking-trnd/index.html


But hey....everybody just KNOWS that the world hates these teutonic bastards, right? Riiiiight! :)

Face it guys....Germans love Germany and the world loves Germany too! :)

It's a great time to be a German! (...and that totally without denigrating another country and wishing it the worst, imagine that!)

'nite all :)

BB,what is your problem?
I said that I quite liked Germans.....but others don't.....I have no links,I spend a lot of time in France and The French do not like Germans!

They don't like Brits either.....get over it!
And don't start trusting The BBC for reliable information......we have many problems in The UK and The BBC is one of the biggest......

When I was a kid it was probably the most trusted,honest and balanced reporters of news of any broadcaster.....not any more...I have friends who work for The BBC and it has been totally infiltrated by "progressive"types.....

I think Germany as a country is indeed quite positively viewed these days. It has more to do with economy, some brands, even football clubs etc. than with either government or people but still...

Undercover said;"I think Germany as a country is indeed quite positively viewed these days"
Not in France,Spain,Portugal,Italy and Greece.......and increasingly so in Eastern Europe.....no,Germans are not popular....

Positively viewed in Australia. Bet on it.

Well, Southern Europeans seem to trust German politicians more than their own, so that is a good start. And the relationship between the French and Germans is nowadays really close, both politically and economically, with many people working in Franco-German companies. You simply see what you want to see, and if it makes you sleep better, so be it. I know I can sleep soundly knowing how secure Germany's position in Europe is right now.

It's because of change. The germans changed for most part for the better. The grubby south europe palm greasing governments are still just as unstable as they were.