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"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)


mafketis  38 | 11106  
15 Oct 2018 /  #1201
The problems...are:
1) Migrants in Northern Europe

No, just migrants unwilling and/or unable to assimilate to Northwestern European norms....

2) Islamophobia

In other words, noticing who those in 1) are...

Third World development

In the short term development increases migration rather than decreases it.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1202
The problems for the umpteenth time are:

Where are the verbs and the words that turn these headlines into problems?
Let me give you an example how my 7-year-old would be able to state what bugs her better than what you did.
She would say, "Grandpa, mom doesn't allow me to watch more TV than an hour a day."
Then, I would say, "If that's the case, come and visit us. You can watch TV all you want".
The above has both the problem stated clearly and a solution. The solution maybe unacceptable to mom, but that is where we start negotiating until both the kid and mom are happy.

See how simple things can be if you drop that terseness?
spiritus  69 | 643  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1203
The refugees were there in any case. I.

Whoa. "refugees" ? Let's see the proof that migrants are actually "refugees" before trying to make grandiose speeches that Poland has an obligation to accept them.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1204
Whoa. "refugees" ?

Even if they were "refugees", under the refugee rules, they are not allowed to country shop and must remain where they are safe first after leaving the danger zone.
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1205
The answer, Maf, is that those already considered unassimilable ought never have been allowed into the country in the first place.
I AM in favor of through background checks for ANY AND ALL new arrivals in the country....EVERY country, my own included:-)
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1206
As we know so very well, it's so easy and inexpensive to get a full background check of every useless garbage from Somalia or Nigeria.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1207
I AM in favor of through background checks for ANY AND ALL new arrivals in the country....EVERY country, my own included:-)

Me too...but when the last years have shown something it's that this is just not possible. For a thorough backgroundcheck no german institution (or any other in the West) has the contacts availably in the home countries which would be needed to proof read every story.

Hell, they even lie about their age!
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1208
So I've read.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
16 Oct 2018 /  #1209
Hell, they even lie about their age!

What a nice way to start the next chapter.
Our Latino scum does exactly the same thing. They are just little kids no matter how many murders they committed in the sh**hole they came from.

Later, the scum will get fake Social Security cards. But, to an average liberal moron, those are just sweet and nice people who come for a better life. And to vote democrat after they get California driver license.
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1210
"Latino scum" is merely venting, Rich. You can do a lot better than that, I'm sure!
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1211
I am sure you have a better way to describe the people who commit a crime on the first day by breaking in and entering the US illegally, Then, they obtain fake US documents, illegally. In fact, it's a felony.

Then, they go to work, illegally. Then, the apply for food stamp, illegally, Many commit crimes against American, illegally. When deported, they come back and do all kinds of bad things illegally again except that they are better at it because they figured out the system.

While here, they are offended by us playing our national anthem and displaying the flag. They are pissed off when the American kids recite the Pledge in our American schools. They boo when the anthem is played at the soccer matches involving Latinos.

Please give me a good, two-word way of referring to this human garbage nobody, including their own countries, wants. No sob stories, please.
Go. I am waiting.
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1212
I can tell ya one thing, buddy boy! Hate the offenders as we all do, I sure don't lump 'em all into one basket.
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1213
A meaningless, feel-good crap.
When was it last time you affirmatively expressed here your "hate" of the offenders, what they do and who they are? Yes, I know, you are a gentleman.
Crow  154 | 9560  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1214
It is. It is too late for Germany. But not for Poland.
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1215
Hate is a cancer that destroys the spirit and the soul of man.

Try focusing on what Jesus said, "Hate the sin, but not the sinner."
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1216
I hate sinners. Without sinners there would no sin.
Jesus never had to deal with the s*** we have to. Neither did he work, paid taxes or was personally responsible for anything. He and his views irrelevant to me.

Jesus did say, however, something very smart: A man without an opinion is like a snake without tail.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1217
I try to put myself into their shoes....I think I would try to survive too at all costs...if that would mean lying, stealing I would. Especially if I would have little ones, I would try EVERYTHING to give them a chance of a better life. There are things worse than death, keep on living in a hopeless nightmare is surely on of them.

Now I live their dream of a life...and I of course abhor their lying and stealing...but I can understand them.
What we have now is IMHO an unresolvable conflict.
I want to keep my good life and feel it is threatened because there are so many of THEM and we are so few. So many who will do everything, even criminal things to get some of what we take for granted.

I'm uncomfortable about the threat they pose, I'm extremely unhappy that there isn't a soon and easy solution for all of us...but I don't hate these people, that would be so hypocritical and useless, as we would do the same if we were in their shoes!
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1218
I'm uncomfortable about the threat they pose, I'm extremely unhappy that there isn't a soon and easy solution for all of us...

Let me help you with this dilemma. Use the country-home similarities and everything is so supremely clear and doubt-free.
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In my post above I missed a word. It should be:
Without sinners there would be no sin.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1219
Use the country-home similarities and everything is so supremely clear and doubt-free.

Well...I'm a hobby historian, specializing in central european history...and I KNOW that there have been times people have looked at Germans with the same distaste and contempt...backwards have-nots...as our greatest exports had been uneducated and poor people.

Germans still were the same, back then as now....just not as lucky living in an orderly, wealthy, respected democracy...we just lucked out with our blessed birth in this country (or in any rich and free western country) in these times, but that doesn't mean we are in any way better!
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1220
Takin' the easy way out as usual, Rich ol' man! You and that little guy with the mustache ought to have teamed up, you couldn't lose:-)

Christ's eternal lesson for all of us was that it's when times are BAD that his teachings are most invaluable! It's a cinch to be loving when things are going great guns, but it's during the hard times that the meaning of "Love Thy Neighbor" is most significant, even it "love" really should be replaced by "respect"!!

This is what supposedly distinguishes out country from that of many others throughout history.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1221
even it "love" really should be replaced by "respect"!!

...but what when they don't love/respect you back?

One big problem with so many newcomers from the african/arabic "macho"-cultures is that they see love/respect as weakness and react with contempt...a successfull integration is then nearly impossible.

What then?
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1222
Humans usually walk the path of least resistance. The Bible sadly offers no quick fixes to such a question!
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1223
....we just lucked out with our blessed birth in this country in these times, that doesn't mean we are in any way better!

I never thought the day would come when I would be a better German than you are. Just kidding...
Yes, it does mean that Germans are better. By a mile. And, no, it was not luck (other than the timing) that Germany is great today. It takes a collective determination, intelligence, and a devotion to the rules of law and decency to create a society like yours.

Let me give one example how I personally benefited from this. After the Warsaw Uprising was over, my "nana" and I ended up in a camp in Hamburg. When my mother got the news, she asked a German officer who was staying with her mother in Radom to get her the necessary travel documents . He did and with it and cigarettes as a bribe, she went to Hamburg and got me out. On her way back to Warsaw, she had to seek shelter along with other German women and their kids during a raid by the Allies. Once inside, she was treated as one of them to food and diapers, with her obviously lame command of German as a clear proof that she was a foreigner and "hostile" one on top of that.

My point is that you can give Germany a lot more credit and still be factually correct.
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1224
One usually though thinks of Germany historically as a country which praised strength and authority, seeing kindness and the like as "weakness"!
Times sure have changed:-)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1225
My point is that you can give Germany a lot more credit and still be factually correct.

I know we are special! :):):)
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1226
This might have a double meaning here:-)

To be special = to be unique in greatness
To be special = to be slightly odd (..but expressed in a euphemistic way)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1227
Times sure have changed:-)

It could very well be that to many of these hard-to-integrate newcomers makes more Germans fall back onto their old famous/infamous virtues.

A consequence most of these open-borders lefties for sure never calculated with....oh the irony!

To be special = to be unique in greatness
To be special = to be slightly odd

Definitely both...unique in greatness + slightly odd! :):):)
Rich Mazur  4 | 2894  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1228
the third one:
aren't you special (sarcasm)
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11918  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1229
I'm just glad I was born a German...historical warts and all...cool people, cool country...meine Heimat!

(I was lucky! :)

'night
Lyzko  41 | 9683  
17 Oct 2018 /  #1230
You're an original, Bratwurst Boy:-)

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