"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

What's your view on PiS dramatically increasing coal imports from Russia, Ironside?

We are so little for the reasons and problems of gods that walk on Earth, who rule us. Its just sad to me to see how once proud people, branch of Sarmatians (ie Slavs), facing humiliating destine. So genesis of things are interesting to me. Fact that they were same as rest of us Slavs in not that deep past and then chain reaction of events led them to here where they are now. If it is them, then it could be us. Why not us? Why them?

Imaginary statistics perhaps. The Russians never invested anything in the GDR.

Unlike the EU in which every expenditure is accounted.

The point G(undercover) was trying to make - In the same way the Soviet Union was using propaganda and falsified or bogus statistics to support its claim about it alleged economical support of its satellites. The EU are doing the same. Do you get it now?

In fact policy of the leading EU countries is to maintain artificially economical differences between them and EU countries in eastern Europe rather than aim at eliminating them as they claimed.

Yeah and no one has ever skinmed off the top or awarded eu contracts to their own companies or their family/friends companies...

At least these EU contracts are for sensible projects Dirk. In my area of Katowice, pre 2004, the cousin of the chief engineer allegedly got first go. He built a lot of beautiful roundabouts in our housing estate - all completely unnecessary in the scheme of things, a deliberate abuse of public funds, and only because the budget "had not been spent".

Corruption of the worst order - where the result was feck all in terms of infrastructure and progress for the local inhabitants in terms of living standards. That was Poland pre 2004. The corruption map of Poland was deep red - "bettered" only by Italy - and that's really saying something when Poland could beat certain other states for corruption.

The EU showed Poland that such shite was no longer going to go.

Poland has never had a high level of corruption for the region. It's not germany but its certainly better than ukraine belarus russia and eu countries like bulgaria romania etc. Polands corruption is small amd has been going down each year. The worst imo was the 90s esp with privatisation and bribery but even then it was nothing like the other post Soviet countries.

Transparency International's 2017 Corruption Perception Index ranks the country 36th place out of 180 countries. It is the eighth successive year in which Poland's score and ranking have improved in the Index.

Its corruption rating has improved under both po and pis.


Corruption was the worst in 2005 according to transparency international...

tradingeconomics.com/poland/corruption-rank

Corruption Rank in Poland averaged 44.95 from 1996 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 70 in 2005 and a record low of 24 in 1996.

So it actually ranks better than places like spain, south korea, etc. Out of thr eu countries it ranks below france portugal and slovenia but better than lithuania latvia cyprus czechy

No I do not get it, because this entire comparison is nonsensical. The EU is not using propaganda when it points out how immensely beneficial EU membership been for Poland. Those are simply facts, supported by many economic indicators.

Trying to draw parallels between the Warsaw Pact and the EU is a ludicrous endeavour. You would have to abandon all ration to do so.

Quite! Rather like comparing apples and oranges.

A good reflection is the high approval ratings in PL for EU membership. The changes have been profound when you compare today's Warsaw to the way it was pre-accession.


That's pure comedy, isn't it. About as far apart as it gets.

A better comparison would be EU and soviet union, as the eu constitution borrowed much and parts are based off the Soviet unions.
And thats what the eurocrat leaders wish to do - turn the eu into one big socialist federation amd strip individual countries of their sovereignty and national identity and replace it with a multikulti single european state. But its not gonna work - not in poland anyway.

A comparison of the SU and the EU is just as asisine. Though I guess if someone only watches Breitart, he might start to believe any bs.

You know that a federation offers the most possible souvereignity to the countries/regions, do you?

You are mixing the federal system with a centralized "superstate". IMHO a federation is highly attractive, any centralized system not. The SU was extremely centralized, only Moscow counted, nothing else.

In a regional federation (Europe of Regions) on the other hand, the weight and influence of every region would be even stronger than in their original centralized member countries, think about that Dirk!

blog.unitee.eu/archives/from-our-magazine/it-is-time-for-a-europe-of-regions

@Dirk diggler
Sorry Dirk, but your post simply backed up what I stated - which was basically that Poland was massively corrupt, and no longer is so - because of EU instilled accountabilty.

Jesus, are there no limits on the amount of bullshit one guy can spread ?? EU is known worldwide for ridiculous "projects", one could write dozens of books about them. Everyone can easily google up some examples.


The most corrupted country in EU is actually one of its "founding fathers", which clearly shows your "point" is utter nonsense, as always.

That why is according to transparency international the lowest level of corruption in 1996, pre accession while the highest level was in 2005 - a year after accession.

Poland has never had a massive corruption problem since the PRL years. Poland is far less corrupt than many eu states like romania italy czech republic hungary bulgaria the baltic states etc and is roughly equal to slovenia, france, spain, etc.


No it does not. Being an independent sovereign state gives a country the most sovereignty.

Poland will never give up its sovereignty and independence and erase its borders, culture, identity to become just a state or region in the EU suprastate. We fought too hard for our independence and freedom to exchange rule by nazis, soviets, the partition powers for the EU


Doesnt change the FACT that eu constitution was modeled on the soviet unions.

See this is what leftists always do... when you present a fact or statistic they dont like they always change the topic and disparage the person either by calling them racist xenophobe or whatever other ist ism od phobe they can think of OR say well you got it from a right wing source so theres no possible way it could be true...

Not at all ! You are just a "believer", just like your grandparents believed in the moustache guy, you believe in the holy EU and holy EU can do no wrong by default.

Not if it's alone and tiny....even a middle sized country with a middle sized economy will have to be always thoughtful and considerate of the bigger kids on the near by play field. Total souvereignity has always been an illusion. Even North Korea would get real problems should China decide to take it's umbrella away.

That's why alliances are so popular. It's a five finger versus fist thing...That's why the EU was, is and will stay so popular. There is no other way for a smallish country to get a place on the top table together with the real big guys.


Nobody wants it's culture or identity erased, who told you that?

Yes but poland is large enough, has a large enough population and ranks as thr 21st to 23rd largest economy (depending on whether its imf world bank or cia estimating) so we donr need to give up our sovereignty. Even tiny states like Moldova or estonia or vanatu or sri lanka prefer to be sovereign. African states fought their colonial masters because theyd rather be sovereign even if it means theyre poorer. Tgeres even several states that are unrecognized by un that rather be sovereign than give up their fight and just become part of some larger country.


Well thats what would happen if the eu became a multikulti socialist suprastate like the ussr. Thats the desire of numerous eurocrats like juncker schultz.merkel verhofstadt etc

No othrer way, oh my... Now seriously Butt, why are you dudes pimping the whole thing so much when you are supposedly the largest not "payer" in it ?

Erm...what do you know about polish history? How many times got Poland partitioned, vanished even of the map, got invaded, occupied?

And that was "only" about military power...the future wars will be trade wars...the world is about to be parted into spheres of influences of continental blocs. The EU will make sure that one of these super blocs will be european. We will then be able to have a voice against the asian, eurasian and the american blocs...

For them Poland alone will not even be a blip on the radar!

ESPECIALLY the Poles should see the advantages to be a member in the European Union, ffs!!!

A lot. More than any other country. How could a person not know the history of their own homeland and place of birth?


A ton and each time we fought for freedom and independence so we sure as hell arent going to give it up willingly. Even when poles knew theyd be obliterated in the warsaw uprising they still fought valiantly. Same with westerplatte

Then you should know what the vaunted independence and souvereignity did for Poland, shouldn't you...

Yes and most poles support the eu for the free movement of goods and people and the funds its given us. Poles do not however appreciate the eu meddling in our political and domestic affairs. We never signed up for that. We never imagined in 2004 the eu would be telling us how to run our courts and what amd how many people we should take into our country. Just because support the eu doesnt mean were going to erase our borders and willingly give up our sovereignty just to become some region of the eu.

You are arguing with people who would prefer to live in the 1930s, BB.

Strobe Talbott the US Deputy Secretary of State during the Bill Clinton administration.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strobe_Talbott



You need to wake up Bratwurst Boy, it's like you and many others are living in a fantasy world full of delusions...

So youre saying poland being an independent sovereign nation is a bad thing? Well most poles think otherwise. Very few poles are in a rush to lose their country


Why because i along with the vast majoroty of polish citizens want pur motherland to remain a sovereign independent country? That makes us people whod rather live in the 30s? Wtf kind of logic is that lol

First, "multi kulti" is the counterpart to "mono kulti". You would have a point fearing the loss of cultural identity if anybody would plan a mono-kulti EU...but even as most countries already are the EU, a union of our multi-kulti countries, could logically be nothing else than multi-kulti itself! Meaning a multitude of cultures side by side! :)

I actually think it is impossible to make the EU to a mono-culture. That's something not even the SU achieved.

And I'm right beside you disliking a future centralized supra state...as are millions of EUians...and that also is not planned, as far as I know...

Source please. I will try to find mine. In 2000, Poland had the second highest corruption rates west of the Ukraine, bar Italy. I seem to remember Portugal was on a par. EU accession fixed that -not the Poles themselves suddenly deciding to be honest citizens.

I was saying that total independence is an illusion (besides being the US or China for that matter). I doubt there is one european country which could really claim total independence and souvereignity.

So as a goal it's useless. And it could even become hurtful if, in your desire to achieve it, you ignore the "real politik" in your neighbourhood.