"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

Similar I suppose to the identical ignorance of many Polish electorate who blithely voted in the exact same party that ruined their economy some fifteen or more years back, namely, the PiS.

Now go use the friggin google, check when PiS was in government last time and check the economic stats from those years. It shouldn't take more than 3 minutes, even in your case.

What's to check? May have been off by a bit, yet the impact remains the same!

Top economic growth in Europe in 2018:

Poland 5% growth
Serbia 4.9% growth

Only Ireland has a higher number but that doesn't really count because of Apple, Google, Facebook ect, if Poland had done the same what Ireland was allowed it would have been booted out of the EU a long time ago.

PiS must be doing something right. :)

Yeah, and we know who they are, don't we G (undercover)! At least admit you're getting dumber, then we'd all know whom we're dealing withLOL

Crnogorac3, GDP isn't always a bellweather of how a country's doing. Other indicators include how she fares within the EU and what her neighbors have to say.

Orban too claims Hungary's doing just fine, however Bruxelles might have a different opinion on the matter:-)

Yeah...absolutely thriller worthy stuff!!!


Inside the EU market with EU money...otherwise PiS Poland would look like Ukraine!

They know better than to demand a Polexit...for good reasons...

That is quite ignorant thing to say. Poland wouldn't be worse off than any other post-soviet country in this region. Ukraine exist since 1991. As a concept it exist for about 160 years, few hours on the European timetable.

Even more ignorant narrowing it to those few euros as IF they would make a lot of difference. If anything EU opened some opportunities for the Polish people that all....

Like Marshall plan and cold war was an opportunity given to the German people. They could make it or not but should we say that they wouldn't look much better without those American money, long term investments and support of the USA than DDR. See how you like them peaches....

Why?

Look at those now inside the EU and those outside and compare...why is this ignorant?

Oh boy....


wipjobs.com/european-funds-poland-a-model-to-follow-with-97-5-of-funding-spent

Few euros, huh? Peanuts! :)

The accession to the EU market and the support to rebuild your economy MAKE all the difference between a booming, rising economy and Ukraine!

I'm an Ossi and wouldn't even dream of thinking that East Germany would now look as good or even better without the support money from the West...I would be stupid!

Yep, it is the success of the EU that helps drive Poland in the same direction. Zero doubt! I don't think Ukraine is a good comparison though.

Why? Because you are comparing oranges and apples that's why....


hmm Norway, Swiss land? Island - do you mean those countries? Oh or maybe those countries like Portugal, Greece and some others that do not do better than Poland? membership of those countries in the EU predates Poland's a few good years ....


Again not the same thing. Beside printing some money doesn't make anything happen....

We prefer Poland and its' not inconsiderable improvements because of EU money thanks Ironside. I lived in Katowice for 12 years before the European Union.
It was an absolute sh..
Most small towns still are - but they are getting there, slowly.
Meanwhile - what have YOU contributed to your motherland? Pathetic of you - as always.

So once again, what is your contribution? you know charging people money for talking to them in your native language is not charity isn't?.

I would concede that you contributed to Poland if you would have started some cutting edge research institute or some factory, otherwise your claims sound pretty pathetic. You moved to Poland and make your way there ....a big F deal. I see you expect a medal!

so your claim is that Poland wouldn't have had improved without the EU? That is only your opinion thank you, I don't share your views on the matter.

an what have YOU contributed to your 'motherland'?

I don't normally get in touch with my inner pedant, but I must tell you that 'it's' is a contraction of 'it is'. An object cannot take the saxon genitive. Just saying.

By the way this youtube song from Germany has been banned. If you can find somewhere else. do it. its interesting.

KC - Chemnitz ist überall

Look at my web notice. I don't talk. I teach. And pay taxes and ZUS - give and take for 30 years. You?


Thanks, we know:) But when I am entwined in dismissing Ironsides' words of wisdom, all offered from a safe distance, away from the crap of everyday life in Poland, I don't pay attention to such niceties as grammar. Surely you've heard of "It's not what you say, it's how you say it"?


No - it is quite clear that Poles can't govern themselves.

Said English teacher, well, well....


fixed that for others. I already knew your view.

I don't profess to know your business, but I know mine. Like most here I have to decline work through overloading, so I must be doing something right. But thank for for your concern as to my welfare.

Now go and do one. You're tiring us all out here in Poland with your nonsense about the EU.

Poland looked far better than Ukraine long before the EU anschluss. Your crappy "EU" is going to fall down pieace by piecace, in the end we will see who's going to lose on it. Only utter idiots thinks Germany has been pushing for EU enlargements and "deeper integration" out of good heart. Russians till this day are showing statistics "proving" that they had been subsidising the whole commie block. Now remind us what happened with Russia in 90's and compare it to Poland or Czechia. Before you come up with crap like "but the West helped Poland and Czechia while Russia was left alone" - no, Poland and Czechia got pretty much nothing (feel free to "prove" it wasn't so) while Russia in 90's got USD ~200 billion via the World Bank, IMF etc. Again, you can verify all I am saying using friggin google.


Another cheap propaganda trick. When a country reform itself and got onto a fast growth track then it gets 'invited" into EU - that's how it works. If Moldova get their act together, soon hordes of EUnuchs will show up their offering their "grants", "scholarships" etc. to the local elite in exchange for whoring the whole "EU membership" concept down the locals throuts.

Poland was worse off than Ukraine in 1990. Yet again, your propaganda fails.

Just compare it to the "enlightened" West and how well they are governing themselves. Let's take a look at the most "enlightened" - Belgium. 25% of cocaine imported to Europe comes from there, the army is on the streets, terrorism, pedophile rings, economic stagnation pretty much since they have stopped stealing from Ne groes, recently they basically had no government for over a year. If we can't govern ourselves then you people are friggin cavemen.

Poland isn't exactly doing a great job of it, what with the high rates of male suicide, problems with alcohol abuse, economic growth based almost completely on outsourcing and other non-jobs, widespread church paedophilia and more.

And still, more Poles immigrate to Belgium to live and work there than the other way around...."people voting with their feet" and all that! :)

vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2015/12/15/big_rise_in_the_numberofpolesandromaniansinbelgium-1-2524423

Living in the "enlightened, badly governed" West seems to be not so bad a thing, doesn't it...

Poland was pretty much on the level of Ukraine in 1990. But it got nearly twice richer before the end of 90's - years before "holy" EU - I can tonnes of statistics (including Eurostat, WB, IMF etc.) to back it up.

It YOUR PROPAGANDA THAT FAILS, AGAIN and AGAIN. I proved your "points" are BS hundreds times here and you just come up with the same garbage.

The accession process of Poland began already in 1989. The prospect of becoming a full member of the EU must have had a decisive influence of the investments world wide.The money coffers were opened, investors came running!

Not to mention EU funds finding already their way into the future member.


A future prospect Ukraine doesn't have and probably won't have for a long time...

Just like more Chinese immigrate to Russia than the other way around. What that actually "proves" ?

Most of the "west" is simply waisting the wealth generated by previous generations. You could "as well" admire some jackass living off his parents' money.


Don't humiliate yourself and just shut up.

Agreed! :)

But it was a good thing with warts and all, our parents have been smart people...I don't see the sense in destroying all that, wishing it to fail, sorry!

Now, why would that be? Would it be perhaps anything to do with CEFTA, or perhaps the funds that were already flowing into Poland before 2004?

Tell you what, come on a trip with me sometime to the borderlands in Lubuskie. I'll show you the infrastructure that was built between 1990-2004 with EU/German money, and then you can tell me what a difference it made to the Polish economy. Deal?

Oy vey ! The process actually started in 966 AD. Without the "European" wisdom Poles wouldn't know how to light the fire ! Oy vey !

Can't you see how pathetic you become ? People read it and are laughing at you.

Why?