"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

Can you not read between the lines? The whole 'if assad uses chemical weapons us/NATO will intervene' is nothing more than a wink wink nudge nudge to FSA, al qaeda, al nusra and all the other terrorists that the us and Israel have been supporting for half a decade to get the chlorine gas ready (extremely easy to make, even for a semi literate goat herder). The smartest thing they could do right now is 'martyr' some kids, que white helmets with their cameras and bam US is even more entrenched.

I've been rooting for Assad and the kurds since the very beginning.

Plus he has a secret weapon - two dudes from sur13 and Armenian power 13...

youtu.be/AgU1Yv80Fyc

Enemigas rofl... too bad these dudes got killed

Makes you wonder just what the American's goal is. Trump supposedly wanted to assassinate Assad, does he now want the support of other Nato partners for an heavier involvement? Because if it is just about punishing Assad for the use of chemical weapons, it would make little sense to ask the Germans for support. It is not like our Luftwaffe can make a substantial difference here.

The whole Syria thing is crazy. Good that we stay out of it.

We can only guess what's going on in Donalds head..

We don't, we have like few planes employed there.

Obviously protect Israel from Iran and monitor the expansion of shia power from Lebanon to syria to Iran to Iraq. The Iranians masterfully seized upon this situation.

You know trumps foreign policy is really Israel first and criticize NATO especislly germany, and rightfully so

...with what army?

US troops are stationed in Syria... a small amount but they're there along with tons of planes in Qatar and ships in the med.. the troops on the ground in Syria though are there illegally I will add as unlike the Russians and Iranians, the Americans were never invited by the elected government...

....maybe I should be more precisely ask: With what german army? ;)

To be honest, none of the other countries really matter except the USA. Even France and the UK are only able to commit a fraction of the US' air strikes.

I guess the USA simply wants other countries' support to get legitimacy, but I doubt this will work out in Germany's case. It is simply not worth the effort, considering what Germany can actually bring to the table.

@Bratwurst Boy

Well recent news says germany is possibly looking to get involved in syria. I doubt it'll happen though. Honestly Germanys military is very weak right now and eben the government admits this


Pretty much, nonetheless the UK contribution in Iraq was pretty significant

That would be stupid even for Merkel, Batty and Taci, google translate gives four possible translations of 'quagmire*' in German, which would be most appropriate

Sumpf
Schlamassel
Pfuhl
Morast

I'm thinking maybe Morast would be the most appropriate (though I like Schlamassel).

*what the US had in Vietnam and Russia had in Afghanistan, and then because of Geroge Whack-a-mole Bush the US also still has in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Yeah...it's a great word...stems from the jiddisch "schlimmassel".

The Yiddish word is (or at least used to be) used in American English as schlimazel (other spellings too, like shlemozzle, but more of just a spoken word) with the meaning of Polish pechowiec (unlucky person).

please stay to the topic, everyone

@Dirk, Merkel and Trump couldn't be more polar opposites (apart from the obvious) if they tried! Think I don't know that??

Are they allowed to actually carry rifles with real bullets or only to direct traffic and help kids cross streets?

Well, looks like the discussion is purely theoretical anyway. The law experts of the government have today concluded that any air strikes without UN Mandate would violate international law, so according to the German constitution Germany won't be able to participate in the first place.

To my knowledge anyway, your Basic Law aka post-War Constitution, was drafted before the UN was fully in place, therefore statutes regulating the German government's actions as you've so described would have to be held in abeyance until such time as the law provides.

I believe you have amendments as well, although not to the same degree as in the US.

Of course its stupid, syria is assads save for just idlib and the us base near the Euphrates. It wouldnt be the first massively stupid thing though the current german government has done. Maybe merkel just cant get enough young male muslim migrants so shes even willing to get involved in bombing syria to bring more over?

foxnews.com/world/2018/09/11/germany-in-talks-with-us-on-possibly-joining-airstrikes-in-syria-in-event-chemical-attack-report.html
reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-germany-allies/germany-in-talks-with-allies-on-possible-military-deployment-in-syria-idUSKCN1LQ14N

But honestly this is nothing more than a coded message. There is no way assad would use chemical weapons at this point with all these warnings. Hes not suicidal. So if there is a chemical attack you can bet it was an Islamic faction that stages a false flag to bring in us and NATO. Now that assad has basically won this war this is the islamists and natos last desperate play. I am kind of surprised though that assad hasnt been assassinated yet especially when at one point all he basically had was Damascus.


I think they're kind of like the UKs army where 5 dudes just stand guard while a muslim prays. This just shows how far down the toilet western Europe has gone. When you have commercials like this you know the country has been fully 'culturally enriched.' No soldier would ever take his boots off while on a mission. Thats like the first thing you learn

youtu.be/OQ4OoPNY_YM

Lol at disabled comments

@Lyzko


I fon't know the details regarding the UN, but the Basic Law was drafted 1948/49, and the UN exists sice 1945. The constitution initially included a ban on foreign missions, except UN missions, but that was amended after German reunification.

Social workers in uniforms. While the Americans are doing all the heavy lifting. But Trump is mean and insensitive. And colors his hair. And talks pussy talk. And he separates babies from the parents, too! Now, the meany wants to build a wall instead of a 1000 bridges - plus Uber to make crossing the border less stressful.

I am so ashamed to be an American with a president like that. I think I will vote for Hillary again.

Please don't!

It would be much harder for a german gov to say "ARE YOU NUTS???" to Hillary (when asked to join the US on the next adventure in a far away land) than to the Donald...

Actually its rhe russians. They cleared out far more isis territories than the americans. Also unlike the americans, the Russians were invited in. Amd theyre not backing Islamists like al nusra and al qaeda. Thats why the us is pissed bc russians are killing their allies. Remember that failed 500 mil program ro arm 'moderates' under obama? They managed to gst only liks a dozen dudes and have no clue where the 500 mil in cash and weapons went but they presumed ultimatelt it made its way to terrorist groups including IS

You are right. I meant, overall, not just Syria.
You point that we were not invited is spot on. That made us a foreign aggressor. And that is why I am not "saddened" when the Americans get killed there. If they stayed at home, they would me fine. It's so simple even my 7-year-old granddaughter understands it.

Poland have few planes there? Brate, I didn`t know that.

Well, I told here. Duda makes Poland behave like crazy curious cat. But not that Duda first set Poland in that positions. Poland have full train of moronic politicians.

It's over now. Besides they were based in Kuwait and weren't doing much of anything.

defence24.pl/zakonczenie-misji-w-kuwejcie-lotnicy-juz-w-lasku

AfD leader speaking in the Bundestag about the sorry state of Germany, how there's less and less taxpayers which are leaving every year, how only about half of Germans are actually employed with a fraction of that actually paying taxes and contributing once civil servants and the underclass is subtracted out, the huge cost of the migrants and how Germany is so cucked that it even lets in terrorists into the country if they're 'reformed' and how migrants can bring their families over even if they haven't been given residency yet, how knife attacks are a regular occurrence, how police tell women not to go jogging alone, how 500 more come in every day, 230k have had their claims rejected yet aren't being deported, etc etc

youtube.com/watch?v=IkhxcN8nv7I

This is the true state of Germany...

If you want to see an interrsting speech, you should have watched Schulze's speech afterwards. I am no fan of him, but the way he destroyed Gauland was a treat.

Not that Gauland made it difficult for him of course.

Sorry state of Germany all right. Crime at an all time low. Unemployment almost nonexistent. The highest numbers of tax payers in history. A budget surplus. Yep, Germany is doomed.

Violent crime has increased since 2015 according to DW a German source and Univ of Zurich - so much so that even the police tell women not to jog alone and people to avoid contact so they don't get stabbed, 75% of migrants are unemployed and remain that way for 5 years according to a German minister, thousands of the top tax payers are all leaving - but yes you are right about the budget surplus... too bad though that 25 billion is going every year to migrants which is more than is spent on research and education.

Seeing as how women are told they shouldn't jog alone, there's regular terror attacks and stabbings, thousands of women have been sexually assaulted I'd say that yes Germany has a lot of big problems that Merkel imported and did not exist just a decade or two ago in fact even in 2010 you didn't have any incidents where a thousand women are sexually assaulted in one night.... not doomed yet but unless they make drastic changes they will be doomed. Germany won't even be German, have Germans as the majority, or even have a German identity anymore as it will be replaced more and more by a mish mash of third world migrants many of whom abhor Germany's laws, German culture and even German people. They only like the welfare payments - that's why 75% of migrants remain unemployed for years with some subgroups as high as 90, 99% unemployed

zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-25/germany-migrant-crisis-delusions

zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-15/merkel-meets-german-ceos-address-9997-unemployment-among-highly-unqualified-migrants

express.co.uk/news/world/820480/Germany-migrant-crisis-refugees-long-term-unemployment-benefits-Angela-Merkel

Apparently, German companies have only been able to find jobs for about 100 of the 1 million migrants that have recently found their way into the country.

According to the latest figures from the German Labor Office, about 346,000 people with asylum status were seeking jobs in Germany in August. With 100 migrants actually employed, that's an unemployment rate of about 99.97%

Unemployment nonexistent lol... so much for the lie that doctors and engineers are coming in, that these people are propping up Germany and taking the jobs Germans don't want and paying taxes so Germans can enjoy their pension... what a crock of sh1t... a huge chunk of these people don't even know how to read or write and even some of the ones that do never read a book besides the Koran.

I totally disagree here. Schulz was embarassing, but then he was also embarassing during the election campaign.

Not only how he screamed and threw a tantrum but also what he said. At last there is now a real discussion again in the Bundestag happening after to many years of foggy consent and what does he want? Wishing away the reason for it....that is not democratic at all.

He was, is and stays a dumb nut...but then the way his act was applauded reminds me heavily at the beginning of the SPD election campaign too, as he was written up to be the coming star of the german politics...and what a downfall then followed. The media have lost it...