"It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland)

The mood is changing....

What happens to Sweden come sunday, will probably happen to Germany in a few years. The corner of the "open arms" fraction get's smaller and smaller...

Undoubtedly, the Swedish elections tomorrow will be neck-and-neck (Kopf am Kopf)!
Have to wait and see what happens, yet I have the gnawing feeling that the liberals in Sweden will already have eaten
their Henkersmahlzeit before the axe falls!

What Europe gave itself is AIDS. An incurable and terminal disease. Too late to talk about moods.

Nah...Europe survived alot worse....for example the plague....the 30 years war, the 100 years war....WWI....WWII....

Especially the 30 years war was alot worse for the Germans than anything afterwards, we got nearly destroyed as a people...it took us more than 100 years to recover from that madness.

A bit perspective and a longer historical view could help against political depression! :)

Indeed, the Swedish elections will tell quite a bit about what future the AfD will have in Germany! You're right about that.

It's not a nice future but maybe unavoidable. It seems the "open arms" fraction is willing to risk everything for their ideals...

Those ideals are worth risking everything for. I have confidence that most Germans are sane enough to stay away from the AfD, and what happens in the USA and the UK will serve as a good warning.

No, it's definitely not!

There is no sense in risking our stability and peace and in the end our democratic system for, excuse me saying that but's true, Ali and Aisha from Somalia!

I wish there would be a referendum held about the immigration and asylum question. This is about to destroy the foundation of our countries, it's tearing us apart. At least then the people would get the feeling back that their opinion counts and is asked for.

Letting in large numbers of people who don't share your values (and have no intention of letting their children be contaminated by them) ..... wha'ts the pay off exactly?

Hmm ... lots of Friends Germany has. I mean all those people from Poland or of Polish origin trying to tell the Germans what a stupid move it has been and they should do something about. Hell, a lots of solidarity and care for the future and good of Germany.

Even I fell for it.
Came to think of it I nether light of the German policy toward Poland and their MittleEuropa concept I think that it is actually good for Poland if Germany takes in even more refugees. Go Merkel go another three millions would give you a Noble globe or goblet of whatnot.

You alawys know better Germany - lead by an example show us the way.

Wrong comparison. Rome didn't survive the barbarians. American Indians didn't survive the European invaders. Instead of uniting and immediately killing Columbus and the crew, they probably said something as stupid as that "our economy needs them". Or that they are just so few and harmless. I will ask them next time I see a couple - drunk, unemployed, broke and begging for food money - if it was smart to let the white man in.

Maybe...after all the Germans way back were starving to death...today Germany is one of the most wealthy and successful countries. Even our poor are quite well off compared to most of the planet...hence we have become somewhat the "Land of Milk and Honey" for many of the most poorest sods.

Whereas the future of our people had been threatened quite directly physically back then, the threat today is rather culturally and hegemonial...it's a different kind of threat, agreed. But for some it's not even seen as a threat at all.

But still, I could imagine the hungry farmer back then, overlooking the smoking ruins of his home, and the corpses of his dead children and ravaged wife, would prefer our kind of mess...

Yes they are. The refugees are not really the issue here, they are simply used as an excuse by those who always wanted to change the country profoundly to their liking. Before that they demanded the death penalty for paedophiles, forced castration and so on. They point to criminal refugees and demand that we compromise on our principles, and if they we do, they'll demand more and more. The real danger is that too many people believe their lies and panicked rhetoric. There is no need for any knee-jerk reaction here, especially because all necessary steps have either been taken or are about to be implemented.


The people got a vote one year ago. The party who exclusively concentrated on the refugee crisis received 15%.

Yeah...well...that was one year ago...today I read the news that the AfD (27%) overtook the CDU (23%) in the East for the first time...can you believe it!!!

Seeing how it went from obscurity to the third most popular party and now recently even took over SPD for 2nd place - unlikely.

You can thank Merkel for pushing so many people to the right. If she didn't invite in a bunch of third worlders to Germany which affected the entirety of Europe and all the problems that were and continue to be caused by them everyday you wouldn't have Austria, Italy and now Germany with AfD all going to the right. Even the Sweden Democrats are expected to make huge gains in Sweden's election.


Indeed. It's worse than a cancer or AIDS though. It's more like a severe drug or alcohol addiction. Despite the obvious consequences, the left keeps importing more of these people, apologizing for their crimes and then when German citizens get upset when yet again migrants killed another native German Merkel and her fellow eurocrats get all upset that people are reacting to the migrants they don't want.


NEVER in Germany's history have they been threatened to be demographically replaced in their own lands. When you have only 2 kids out of 25 that speak German in a grade school class and its a similar story all over Germany that's a big indication of what the future holds. The Muslim clerics in the mosques and sharia courts in UK tell their fellow Muslims to breed like rats so they can overpopulate Europe and become the majority. Many imams speak of this openly that this will be their method to conquer Europe. But naturally liberal Europeans don't listen - just like they didn't listen when ISIS flat out said it was going to send in operatives hidden amongst the migrants. And how many terror attacks have been committed on European soil? I lost count..... and everyday you hear about another stabbing, another rape, another murder, another arson, more cars being torched, rioting, etc.

The only solution is to remove the kebab, if Germany is to remain German and for the German people anyway.... otherwise, like the mother said in her famous youtube video 'we feel like foreigners in our own land' - well soon you won't just feel like foreigners in your own land, you WILL be foreigners in your own land.

If you want to know what a country that's already experiencing this look at France where you have majority muslim populations in many areas and even entire cities like Marseilles. Look at London - British are a minority in their own capital! Look at Sweden - 25% people are foreigners. Is that the future you want for Europe? For your own country? Do you not want people of your own nationality to be the majority of your country, decide its laws and customs, keep its culture and identity alive? I sure as hell do - and most Poles do too. That's the problem with Germany - most of them either don't care or they've just flat out given up. Like I said before, cucked. And Trump is right - Germans are allowing their country to become a giant migrant camp and their culture is being changed very quickly, very violently and certainly not for the better. Question is will the German people finally stand up and do something about it?

That is not quite true.

Only 15 years back the CDU had still been a right party, the voice for millions of Germans. The democracy in Germany was stable as all sides of the political spectre were powerfully represented.

As Merkel took over the "modernization" aka "move to the left" was started. Slowly but surely the right leaning people lost their voice and the possibility to vote for a real right party.

At the same time with support of big parts of the mainstream media a "consent" was build that being right was something bad, was to be fighted aka "Kampf gegen Rechts".

People now had only the chance to vote between middle and left leaning parties which shared more often then not the same opinion regarding most problems.

Slowly but surely destroying our democracy which needs both strong pillars, the Left AND the Right, to build a true Middle.

People don't have been "pushed" to the right, the AfD just tries to fill the vacuum on the Merkel-CDU left behind. But she is no CDU, that's the problem.

So what. Should we have federal elections every 6 months? I am sure you see how impractical this would be. The people had their vote and they decided to not back the AfD.


I am not surprised. The CDU in Saxony bears a lot of responsibility for this. For years they have been publically talking down the danger of right-wing extremism, and even after Chemnitz the Ministerpräsident has tried to appease to to the mob. Appeasement never works, you just add legitimacy to their demands. Leipzig showed that you can defeat them by actively engaging with them.

Absolutely not. The only vacuum they're filling is a party with enough balls to not give a sh1t about PC and is saying there's way too much kebab here - enough is enough. Merkel won't do it, certainly the Greens, SPD, CDU etc won't do it save for maybe the interior minister who is seemingly the only voice of reason within Merkels administration so AfD is doing it - and tens of millions of Germans are eating it right up as theyre sick of the rapes, the terror, the no go's, the 25 bil a year spent on them and the demographics change. They don't want it anymore. Even people who were welcoming to migrants back in 2015 have since changed their opinions because they finally realized first hand what importing a bunch of uneducated young males from a vastly different culture majority of whom remain unemployed for years and cause tons of problems.

AfD, like so many other right wing parties are running first and foremost on an anti-migrant platform. And they're making HUGE wins just like all the other parties that came to power with stopping third world migration as their main goal. People realize this is the most immediate threat to their livelihood and their country - both short and long term. They are sick of all the problems the migrant crisis caused. That's why they're winning -as is AfD.

Thing is a big part of Germany interchanges "right" with "right wing extremist".

The few Nazi-hools are the scapegoat to discredit the millions of Germans who are against Merkels policy. As in "better stay at home, shut up and don't vote AfD or you will be seen and treated as a Nazi" because everybody has seen these hools at your protestation.

In the same coin it should be said to avoid such concerts like recently in Chemnitz or you will be seen as a "left wing extremist". After all being left must be bad when you stand side by side with people who want to beat cops their heads in...

That will backfire...

Euros should learn from us. First, we had very few. Now, California is 50% Hispanic. The projected demographic composition is so scary few want to look at the curves.

If Trump lost, we would never, ever have a republican president since 70% of the foreign scum - legal and illegal - ends up voting for the Democrat party.

The Latino cancer is of especially devious variety as so many of them bring more Latino scum like brothers, sisters, uncles, ...That sh** - the chain migration - is endless.

Good bye, the USA. It was good to know you and remember the days when blacks had only 5% of fatherless kids and a Spanish-speaking guy was the village novelty.

This is not about discrediting someone. If you vote for a party whose leadership consists of antisemites, Holocaust deniers and Reichsbürger-sympathizers you should take a hard look on what you personally stand for.


Those were hardly visible and did not play a mayor part in mobilizing the people, unlike the mob which shouted Ausländer raus. Anyone who went with those made no secret about his opinions.

May I remind you about the green pedophiles or the left stalinists? All members, but on the margins...

And to invite the Antifa of all people to a concert to "defend democracy" in Eastern Germany is not only a sad joke, it's a fist in the face for every one here. After all there was no state which was more ANTIFASCIST than the GDR. It was the foundation of this country, besides Marxism-Leninism antifascism was it's religion and let me tell you just in case you have forgotten, antifascism is NOT about defending democracy, it's not democratic at all.

That was done by someone who wants blood on the streets.

The critics of Merkels policies are just to many...to put them all in the crazy nutter corner wont work for much longer and what's worse, it will backfire!

As if those pedophiles were still a tolerated part of the Green party. The party leadership is certainly not among those. Meanwhile, almost the entire leadership of the AfD is composed of antisemite, Holocaust deniers and Reichsbürger-Sympathizers.


The GDR claimed to be antifacist, but the GDR broke with certain traditions far less than the FRG. I really hope I am misterundstanding, because it seems to me that you are trying to compare the people who went to the concert with the mob who shouted Ausländer raus and included many people who showed the Hitler salute.


There are many critics of Merkel, quite a lot of them in her own party. The problem is, that anyone who cheers to people like Höcke, Bachmann and Gauland can not claim that this is simply about the refugee policy. He has deeper issues with the German state.

In the beginning they were...and alot of other stinking stuff too like RAF sympathizers. As they were young, just coming in from the streets into the parliaments...like the AfD.

Best example: One Joschka Fischer from a cop hater (throwing stones, beating) to a high ranking minister in the goverment.


The problem is that nobody else goes out with them protesting besides Höcke, Bachmann and Gauland who see this as their huge chance. Where are the rest of the critics? Where have they been before???

But they can't do anything, right? After all they would have to act against Mutti...


Can't I blame innocent people going to an event for a good cause even as they knew that un-democratic, violence gloryfying, system hater were standing beside them?

Nobody goes with them protesting because there is no reason to do so. There is no justification for trying to use a murder as a pretext to faciliate hatred against an entire group of people. Nor is there any need to do so. Those who are merely dissatisfied with Merkel's refugee policy have either been appeased by the drastic changes that have been implemented since 2015, or they have deeper issues and are lost anyway. The AfD represents only a small minority and it is time that their impact on the public discours is reduced to that status.

A small minority which is now top dog in the East...and already firmly in the two-digits in the West.

I wish Merkel would leave us alone earlier...in 3 years it will be to late! The traditional CDU space will be filled out by the AfD for good by then...

*shakes head sadly and goes crying*

And thus still a minority. This is as big as they are going to get.


Unlikely. Sure, it is inevitable that the AfD will continue to exist and poll in the double digits. But this had to happen one day, German society has their own share of racists like any other society and this would eventually be reflected in its' party system.

And we do not need this scum in the CDU. The CDU stands for Christian values, for European integration, for stability. None of which the AfD supports. And the CDU can't compromise on those principles. Nor has it much room to manouver even if it wanted.

Merkel actually doing great service to Slavic world. Are you sure that she isn`t Serbian, from Lausits?

*shakes head groggily and takes another sip*

They won't be replaced. Some admixture will do them good. I think that should take in more of Africans about 10 millions.

I concur. 10 million Africans is minimum for them. Minimum.