Poland and Kresy being reunited?

Sokrates 8 | 3335

29 Jul 2010 / #91

Wow!
*borrows a fat red marker from BB and marks this date in his calendar* :)

I just say some stuff to p*ss you off pal.

Thats to say Ukraine was a depopulated wasteland, courtesy of the Mongols, Tartars and your own warring Ruthenian nobility, you had exactly one major city - Kiev.

By that time Poland had Poznań, Kraków, Gniezno... all in all Poland had 32 major cities, six of which were the size of Kiev.

Thats not counting smaller cities and towns, you guys were two barns and a cow.

Nathan 18 | 1349

29 Jul 2010 / #92

six of which were the size of Kiev

Which ones? Except Lomza, there wasn`t any highly developed settlements ;)

you guys were two barns and a cow.

At least cow spared. The history would be quite different if you attacked tanks while riding cows. You might have won at least and the victory would have been celebrated in Poland as ``Mad cow offensive``.

JozefPolska - | 8

30 Jul 2010 / #93

Thread attached on merging:
Polish Revolution

Hello fellow Poles

I would like to discuss the topic of a Polish Revolution. Poland needs a revolution to break free from the hold that the UN has on in it.For too long Poland has it voice silenced by outsiders.I believe it is time that we Poles stood up for ourselves and reclaim Poland and Kresy from the traitors who claim to have Poland Best at Interest but are only interested in in slaving Poland and holding it back.

Jozef

i'm sure that u won't mind being merged to a Czarnkow1940 thread. he has the same interests and ip as u

Wroclaw 44 | 5359

30 Jul 2010 / #94

Do you live in the same Poland as I do ?

Poland is doing just fine as it is.

Ironside 50 | 12435

30 Jul 2010 / #95

Jozef

good Jozef, you got the gist of it !

Poland is doing just fine as it is.

maybe you have low standards ?

Nathan 18 | 1349

31 Jul 2010 / #96

This question is better directed to your pal Sock.

OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 94

31 Jul 2010 / #97

Also Stalin did not promise Poland neither Lwów nor East Prussia.

Stalin originally did offer the whole east prussia to Poland but later changed his mind and gave Poland szczecin and the south part of east prussia to Poland instead.

Mr Grunwald 33 | 2138

31 Jul 2010 / #98

Wasn't it originally Churchill that proposed giving Poland several German lands? (As he thought Poland would lose her "Kresy" anyway)

BB if you gotta complain to anyone it's Churchill ;) (That damn bugger)

plk123 8 | 4119

31 Jul 2010 / #99

Wasn't it originally Churchill that proposed giving Poland several German lands?

yes, curzon line

OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 94

31 Jul 2010 / #100

curzon line

Was it one of the big 3 that suggested that Polands eastern border run along Curzon Line Bor was it only the underground government in London which wanted this.

plk123 8 | 4119

31 Jul 2010 / #101

sir curzon was british. got google?

OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 94

31 Jul 2010 / #102

sir curzon was british

Yes but he died in 1925 .I think you misunderstood I was saying whos idea was it for the Curzon line B which included Lwow as Part of Poland

Wasn't it originally Churchill that proposed giving Poland several German lands?

I dont know where you heard that quote from wikipedia:

Winston Churchill was not present at the end of the Yalta Conference as the results of the British election had made it clear he had been defeated. Churchill later claimed that he would never have agreed to the Oder-Western Neisse line, and in his famous Iron Curtain speech declared that:

The Russian-dominated Polish Government has been encouraged to make enormous and wrongful inroads upon Germany, and mass expulsions of millions of Germans on a scale grievous and undreamed-of are now taking place.
—Winston Churchil

plk123 8 | 4119

31 Jul 2010 / #103

Yes but he died in 1925 .I think you misunderstood I was saying whos idea was it for the Curzon line B which included Lwow as Part of Poland

B was the original line actually.. and it was the approximation of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact border..

wordiq.com/definition/Curzon_line

Ironside 50 | 12435

31 Jul 2010 / #104

yes, curzon line

sure, about borders should decide country;s to each other - British made up Curzon line (Napier labour).
In exchange Poland should designate what borders Britain should have !

Bratwurst Boy 8 | 11918

31 Jul 2010 / #105

BB if you gotta complain to anyone it's Churchill ;) (That damn bugger)

Yeah....I'm compiling a hell of a letter....just now...that will show him! HA!

In exchange Poland should designate what borders Britain should have !

I think that will be difficult...on an island I mean...

Ironside 50 | 12435

31 Jul 2010 / #106

Kent for France

OP Czarnkow1940 5 | 94

1 Aug 2010 / #107

In exchange Poland should designate what borders Britain should have !

Ironside if you were in charge of Borders there would be only one country in Europe lol.

Ironside 50 | 12435

2 Aug 2010 / #108

No really ! some changes however ....:)

porzeczka - | 102

2 Aug 2010 / #109

Well it is well known fact that Stalin promised Poland that it would get Lwow

It seems that Roosevelt (and Churchill) very delicately 'suggested' that Lwów could be returned to Poland. Stalin was against it.

Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin in Yalta, 6 February 1945:

Stalin: I refer now to our allies' appeal with regard to the Curzon line. The President has suggested modification giving Poland Lvov and Lvov Province...

Roosevelt:This is my only suggestion. If we can work out some solution of this problem it will make peace much easier.

Churchill:I have made repeated declarations in Parliament in support of the Soviet claims to the Curzon line, that is to say, leaving Lvov with Soviet Russia. I have been much criticised and so was Mr Eden especially by the party which I represent. But I have always considered that after all Russia has suffered in fighting Germany and after all her efforts liberating Poland her claims is one founded not on force but on right. I that position I abide. But of course if the mighty power, the Soviet Union, made a gesture of magnanimity to a much weaker power and made the gesture suggested by the President we would heartily acclaim such action.

JozefPolska - | 8

13 Aug 2010 / #110

convex 20 | 3928

13 Aug 2010 / #111

dork. you post this like every other week. at least crow gives us something new with his message.

and what's the matter with the Czarnkow1940 account?

you going to steer the revolution from Oz?

Zbojnik - | 22

13 Aug 2010 / #112

Your a Joke

JozefPolska - | 8

13 Aug 2010 / #113

something new with his message.

There is no need for a new message.

you going to steer the revolution from Oz?

That fact that i am living in Warsaw i don't think so.

convex 20 | 3928

13 Aug 2010 / #114

There is no need for a new message.

Then get out there and do some revolting.

He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.

Seanus 15 | 19666

13 Aug 2010 / #115

The UN? It is NATO that dragged you into Iraq and Afghanistan where your casualty rate is relatively high. The UN is an inept and toothless organisation that has a limited impact on life here.

Kresy???

Oh, he's revolting alright ;)

JozefPolska - | 8

13 Aug 2010 / #116

Then get out there and do some revolting.

The revolting we commence on October 31st at Royal Castle,Warsaw.

convex 20 | 3928

13 Aug 2010 / #117

It is NATO that dragged you into Iraq and Afghanistan where your casualty rate is relatively high.

yup, dragged in kicking and screaming. making them stay too.

WRONG

Poland wanted to play in the desert with the big boys, they can go home anytime.

Seanus 15 | 19666

13 Aug 2010 / #118

What is the Polish voice, Jozef? What do you hope to achieve? What, having Jerzy Buzek in such a high position isn't voice enough?

No, NATO dragged them into it and they just decided to stay. They can leave at any time.

JozefPolska - | 8

13 Aug 2010 / #119

The UN?

I meant EU sorry

Seanus 15 | 19666

13 Aug 2010 / #120

Aha, the EU. Sorry, but Poland has gained in so many ways from the EU and it has a reasonable voice. What more could be done?