Poland and Kresy being reunited?

Nah...I don't feel any kinship or loss...Russia can keep this garbage dump it became, nothing prussian about it anymore!


Germans exist there for millennia already...and before there was a German state there was PRUSSIA...for centuries!


So stop whining when YOUR master (and ally) did rearrange your borders the same way.
After all they rescued you in the first place!


Well...the Ukrainians have some things to say about polish reign their self, and that's not nice!
Look in the mirror!


Nah...we just want a peacy neighbourhood, full of prospering people with enough money to buy our stuff! :)
We have no meaningful borders whatsoever anymore...

But you do agree that is right thing!? right?

my bad, I assumed that you were talking about your farm in Ukraine:(.

I know what you are saying, but......but how are you going to claim the Polish land from Ukraine in a practical way. I have a farm in Bieszczady, inquired if it was for sale (see I want to buy it back), but it is not.

good lack mate:)

I do, Palikot is a very smart cunning man who's using his clownish exterior to further his and his party' goals, the people who threw eggs in Ukrainian parliament were just a mindless mob.

Even today the polish elite is much more subtle and effective, what changed is not the style of polish politics but its goal, in the interwar period it was to further Polands goal now its to further personal goals.


Its not, if it was you would not have the kind of issues you have in Ukraine, what did they hijack? Polish artists, writers, architecture.

For example you can read today how glorious the Ukraine was prior to Polish invasion, there was no invasion and Ukraine was a depopulated field with 2 barns and a house.

You read Sobieski who was supposedly Ukrainian or about the "great Ukrainian city of Kraków" there's quite a lot of made up history in Ukrainian books.


If it collapses instead of weak Ukraine Poland gets strong Russia as a neighbour, Ukraine is beneficial for Poland, if its friendly we have a friendly neighbour, if its unfriendly its still too weak to threaten us on any level so whether friend or foe, weak or strong Ukraine is preferable to Russia.


Yeah except they cant seem to agree what identity it is, for some its Russian, for some its Ukrainian and even then Ukrainian means quite a few things.

Ukraine is faaaar from stable in that regard.


Heroes indicate where the country is going, Chmielnicki and Bandera are not a good idea plus not everyone sees them as heroes, they promote certain ideas but not unity.


Not if it involves booting people from their homes, after having my own people f*cked sideways for several generations i'd never have it done to someone else.

WTF???

Everybody knows it was german!!!

;)

ach so:)
Looks like there are as many nationalist nutters in Ukraine as in Poland;)

Rrrrright... i have to admit i was wrong though it did have a german majority for 80 years but that still doesnt make it remotely german :P

@Aphrodisiac.

According to a Ukrainian guide "Ukrainian places in Poland" by Lwiv foundation Ukraine-Rus we discover that:

Juliusz Słowacki - a famous polish writer is in fact a Ukrainian.
King August - Ukrainian.
Prince Poniatowski - Ukrainian.

Kraków is a ukrainian city given to the Poles by Germans.

Thats just one of many many examples of the alternate worlds history by Ukraine, even your schoolbooks have those.

really, that is utterly funny.

I take it you're not living in Ukraine quite some time?

never have, born and raised in Poland to Ukrainian parents:). Learnt Ukrainian with English- Ukrainian dictionary mostly, educated until high school in Poland:). Podobno nawet nie zaciagam, kiedy mowie po Polsku:) lol

*runs to make a fat red cross in calendar*

:)

From Suwalskie region?


Take a trip to Ukraine, Lwów and Kiev are places to go.


To ty już bardziej Polak?:)

What a uniquely messy place our lands are...:)

We should really stop going after each others throats again and again! Our peoples and histories are much to intertwined for that...it makes no sense any longer!

No, zachodnipomorskie region.


I will, but I am more attached to the place my parents are from, Bieszczady and I made many trips there over the years.


I don't think so, I don't feel Polish for obvious reasons. I am Ukrainian ethnically, born and raised in Poland. It is what it is. All my Polish friends are aware of my background. Then there is Canada connection. Life is good. This way I speak 3 languages, I am not complaining:)

Ah i thought so, Vistula action descendants?


Which is a reason why Vistula had to be done.

that was not the reason why Vistula was carried in the fist place. It was done because the local population was supporting UPA ( a very strong hold in my family's village and some members of my family joined)and Poles had an easier way of handling it by removing the population. Also, it was easier to resettle Bieszczady with Poles, that way the Polish government could reinforce their power in that region.

I have to say that the attempts of Polonization did not work very well.

I suppose Warsaw was a Russian city and it was kindly given to Poland after ww1 ;)

As you can see when kresy was part of Poland it had many different types of people why would you what these people to leave they have just as much right to live there as poles do.

Oh they did but only after you guys got scattered, you intermarried and today there's maybe 10% of the pre-Vistula minorities that feel like you.

Thats to say im not an enemy of Ukraine or anything it was just too dangerous to have you guys bunched up in one place and supporting UPA.


Hah! Try telling it to Ironside.

at the beginning yes, but once people got to know where they were, it was not the case anymore.


I don't know the statistics, but even those who did are still active in the Ukrainian circles.


oh, no. every member of my family feels the same way as me and it is not an unusual at all. We also have some immigrants from Ukraine who settled in Poland, so the group is getting bigger in fact.


those were the days, AK was supported by Polish population, it just made sense.

Krakow was never a Ukrainian city, it was ALWAYS a Polish city when of course it was a free country, ethnic Ukrainian lands extended a bit past Przemysl in southern Poland and almost to Lublin in central Poland no further, so how did you come up with that one?

are you ready to give up Szczecin or Wroclaw?

That has nothing to do with kresy thats an issue with Germany not Ukraine, Belarus ect. But if the Germans want it back there more then welcome to try and take it and see what happens ;)

maybe it doesn't to you but if PL wants to take someone else's land then it will also work in the other direction.. and PL will have to cough up lands it controls that aren't really polish.

No I am not suggesting that Poland trys to take other countries only retrieve city like Lwow which was promised to Poland by Soviets.

promised? hmm

Well it is well known fact that Stalin promised Poland that it would get Lwow, East Prussia and free elections but in the end Poland got none of that.

first i ever heard of this.. hmm.. and i highly doubt Stalin promised anything to PL.. just doesn't seem like something he'd do..

Stalin lied??? Noooooooooo........

(I really wonder how far a foreign policy would come if it's build on "Stalin's promises")

;)

Dude its f*cking Stalin we're talking about, he makes poker professionals look honest.

Also Stalin did not promise Poland neither Lwów nor East Prussia.

And a herd of horses, which Poles stole from Ukrainian farmers to attack German tanks.


:) Nice.


Wow!
*borrows a fat red marker from BB and marks this date in his calendar* :)