Poland and Kresy being reunited?

What are people thoughts of Kresy one day reunited with Poland as a single state which is multinational.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kresy

I like to dream, along with Crow, of Poland and other Slavic states forming a huge union, kind of a union of Slavic speaking republics.

But seriously. The people are different, what is there to "reunite"? Borders are imaginary.

too full of Belorussian and Ukrainian peasants.

it is a better idea to help these countries develop so they can become more economically productive whilst adopting certain governmental norms, that way Poles can settle in the area regardless.

Is that a issue?


It hasn't been working what makes you think things would change anytime soon?

I think that Poland should get back her lands.
Kresy is just expression which meaning changed in time.


somebody had a ****** imagination regarding Polish border


so what ? let them go...

After coming in last place in WW2, Poland is pretty lucky to have gotten what it did after the war.

And yes, the borders are still imaginary. Arbitrary lines on maps.

is 45 odd years of Communist rule luck?

Yes, as opposed to being completely absorbed by the Russians like the neighbors to the east.

I think it is an absurd idea. The tendency in Europe is to re-unite within a global organization, like the EU. If I lived in Ukraine or Lithuania, I wouldn't probably like the country of my residence to be re-united with Poland. What for? To take part in the discussions whether the Cross should be left in front of the Presidential Palace in Warsaw or it should be removed somewhere else?

Poland was still under soviet influence considering Poland was promised free elections and Lwow maybe it was better off then the soviet republics but I wouldn't call it lucky.

what do you mean ?

Same happened in Romania. Some countries accepted the noose more willingly than others.


I mean having your country ravaged by not just one, but two powerful neighbors...and then that whole being occupied for 45 years. That's not exactly a win.

I think the fact that you call yourself a Polish is an absurd idea. You have no idea .....
You should call yourself serf Polsov because it is the truth about core of your identity and many others.
To claim to be a Pole by default is sick jock - specially that you believe it yourself !

I-S ( is not personal)

Can you explain why not caring about a place that is full of non Poles makes you not Polish? Can you explain why focusing on the people that here now instead of a couple of villages full of old foreigners is important? I mean, Poland isn't exactly hurting in the "run down village and dilapidated roads" department. Going to ask for more EU funds to fix it when you get it? What benefit would it have other than massaging a battered ego?

By the way, I'm available to explain satire on the weekends. Don't worry, I'll speak slowly.

I think the fact that you go into personal insults instead of telling any arguments against someone's views means that you are a fool without knowing about it ...

5% of the Berussian population is polish thats a but more then a couple of villages full of old foreigners

what do you wanna know?


speak through your teeth, cherish them, may not last long ...


Its not only that ....I would have to write an essay to explain it to the foreigner.


That is the different kettle of fish, as for run down villages and dilapidated roads they are rule not exception in the world, even in USA you can find fine examples of it!

As for EU funds, as far as I'm concerned this is a bait on the hook, it cost Poland more to be EU member. They can shove it .....I was voting against accession, and fund should be at last three time bigger(on the principle of equality ).

First of all Poland should get government working for her benefit, otherwise all consideration will go don the drain.


strategical
political
and do not understudy ego
last but not least - there is globally more people less land,
justice - wouldn't you try to get back land, well house of your family, forcibly stolen from you? I bet you would...

No, it's because you can't explain it.

I do agree with you on Poland joining the EU. Huge millstone for advanced countries.

Yea, in fact, when I'm driving around the German and Swiss countryside, I'm constantly reminded of how things are falling apart and everything looks run down and dirty..


What was stolen from you?

is not insult, is not personally against you, its against attitude presented by you, and widespread in Poland.
I'm only saying that is not attitude which would found understanding in pre-war generation.
Its not thinking of free people is attitude of serfs.
Well you are offended so you wont be listening to me, now!
Sorry, you can call me fool, remember that - one man fool is another prophet!
Cool down and think about it! Your attitude is not set in stone!You can always change!

I-S ( not that I call myself prophet, but I'm speaking the truth )

That is the past if kresy was to become part of Poland or a single state.We would have ot accept that there are Belorussians and Ukrainians living and learn to live with them it wouldnt be far to kick them out.

from my country


Well, mister 'knowAll", you explain it to me !
(I would say more but if you want to learn you kneel - you obviously think yourself wiser, so I will not waste my time)


Exactly! Poland needed to sort out her problems, stabilise, have a time to grow - not to be bounded by EU regulation, norms and expectations at the same time opening her marked for EU country;s goods.

Poland paid for EU membership !
As for huge millstone - doubt it ! Freedom of movement was common in middle-ages, only regulations and control is new!


Oh yes ! and those country's constitute most of the world! I see you have typical American education :) ever heard about geography ?

no, from you. you're getting all worked up. what was stolen from you?


alright, you can't explain it. fair enough...


yup.


You're right, how silly to compare Poland to developed countries, that's just unfair. I understand now though. Yes, Polish villages look a bit better than Kazakh villages. The roads are much better than in Liberia.

Aim high, right?

A soviet stole my vodka while i was sleeping I want it back ;)

Try USA, Ireland, Spain - get real !


Its not about me ! I can renounce my right if Poland will get back her land!


land and house
and workshop
and orchard


Post-communism: Emerging Enigma (1999)
you read it and we can talk

Yea, US, Ireland, and Spain. All in better condition than the Polish countryside. To think otherwise is to be delusional.


Who will get the land? Who's Poland? Is she hot?

The Russians already gave it to Belarus. Poland fought for it, and lost.


That must put you at what, 90?


Good stuff, will check it out.

Yes it is they don't want to be Polish and have a different culture.

generally maybe, but my point is those country's have a lot of the run down places.


time to get even !


very funny !
Where are you from in States ?

So nothing was actually stolen from you I take it? You're trying to right some historical wrong? I think a big problem is this "we" mentality. Usually when I talk to nationalists, they somehow think they were part of history. Remember when "we" saved France? Remember when "we" fought the Nazis in Warsaw? Remember how "we" stood up to the police for our rights?


The entire point was that Poland is already struggling with a run down infrastructure, it doesn't exactly need more.

personally ? you oversimplify it a big time!


well, we or not we - people are grouped in country's or tribes - all the same !
You can theorize all you like because your country has no such problems - quite opposite I would said1!


Both issues have no bearings on each other, run down infrastructure can be deal with or not regardless of few hundred square kilometres more or less!

It is simple. If you want to fight historical wrongs, why stop there? What is the criteria?


Right, and weak people like to think of themselves as heroes based on what their countrymen achieved in the past.


Of course it does, because it addresses the reality of what is on the table here. Take run down land and kick people off it so that.... So you can move Poles onto it? Just a quick note, Poles are already leaving the countryside in droves here. There's no shortage of run down countryside...