Poland's John Paul the Great canonisation this year

It proves a lot.
None are as a blind as those that cannot see.


If you raise your kids to believe that singers/celebrities/sport stars etc. are role models, then you have failed as a parent.

Actually I think kids should be taught that they have to be honest, respect other people, do not be egoists, not to be materialists, be fair to other people.

And you want to add religion to that, that is your own personal matter. Without religion they will still grow up with ups and downs, as all kids do.

But the basic values stay. For this no religion is necessary. If you see this as an added bonus, fair enough.

xD
Come on... lol

OK, then everyone has a right to experience both in order to make up their mind what they prefer - existence or nonexistence, don't you think? ;)


How long?
I don't know. I suspect it depends on many things, like: whether the person in question is psychologically strong or not, how brutal the rape was, what type of rape, whether it was a gang rape or not, whether the rape was accompanied by some kind of psychological abuse or not, whether she knew the rapist or not, whether it was a family member or not, whether it was a one time rape, or the raping went for hours, days, months or years, whether the rapist was caught and sentenced or not (it helps to get a closure, a peace of mind), whether the woman has the support of her family, friends, husband, boyfriend, whether she has "a reason to live" and whether she has a good, professional psychotherapist.

An example from an article I've read some time ago:

"She says that since she's been violated her husband won't touch her because he's disgusted by her. So she's on her own: scared, weary and hungry.

I asked her how she found the strength to carry on, and she replied that she had to fight to survive for the sake of her children, but that if she saw the two men who attacked her she would kill them."

Btw, if you're interested with the subject of the process of dealing with rape, how it may look like, I think this film is worth watching:

imdb.com/title/tt0378793/

Yes, the main role is played by young Kristen Stewart from "Twilight", but don't be discouraged, the film is good and she actually plays well there :)


I don't know. Probably not. As I wrote - it probably depends on many factors.
And it also depends on what you mean by "effective".
I can imagine it's something that stays with people for the rest of their lives. I guess it's "effective" if you're able to go on with your life after the rape and you don't have nightmares about it every night. I honestly don't know and I hope I'll never experience anything like that.


Eh... No. Are we going to discuss adoption now? ;P


Why, you don't like having feelings, Polson? :P


Why on Earth you wish that was true? o_O


If the pregnancy threats the woman's life then it's a choice between one life and another life. I don't know what is "the good choice" in such a case. It's a tragic choice.

I think in such circumstances, since it's the woman's life that is in danger, it's up to her to decide whether to go on with pregnancy or not, after being provided with all the info about the risk by the doctor.


What health issues you have in mind in case of the kid?


Funny, you're so outraged by my LOL's (not really quoting to which comments they were addressed and not knowing why I've put them there), but you have no problem with someone saying that an eight month baby in mother's womb isn't a human being because "humans do not suck blood from hosts and do need to breathe".


What were you seeing them about, if you don't mind me asking?


I'm sure there are good and bad psychotherapists out there, just like other good and bad doctors. You just have to find a good one, I guess.


"The next rapist"? Are you saying that every man who's father was a rapist is doomed to be a rapist himself?
And what if the baby is a girl? LOL


No, it isn't. I'm a woman and although it isn't possible for me to know how it's like I can imagine it. I don't lack imagination or empathy.

I am all for looong sentences for rapists, but not for punishing innocent children.
Here you have some comments by women who are raising children being "the fruits" of rape:


f.kafeteria.pl/temat.php?id_p=4545451

You know, I'm starting to wonder about the fact that only men write here on this topic. What about women? Girls, do you have any views on the subject of giving birth to and raising such children?


Tell that to a pregnant woman.


What research? I am aware of different stages of baby's development. And?


Sorry, smurf, but for the parents it is a baby from the very beginning.
It isn't some piece of meat, it's a living organism, and we all know it's a human organism, with a fixed set of genes not to be repeated again.

We aren't animals and therefore we are able to grasp the idea of future, we can think, predict and that's why we know that if the pregnancy isn't aborted a little Katie or a little John will be born. If the fetus will be killed there won't be another Katie or John, there may be Marry or Harry, or Tom or Sean, or Annie or Rachel, but no Katie or John anymore. Just like me and my brother are quite different people. If let's say my mum decided to have an abortion I wouldn't be here writing this.

If your mum decided to have an abortion you wouldn't be here writing that a fetus isn't a baby and it's OK to kill it lol There would be someone else, maybe with completely different views than yours.


No, what I wrote was: "If someone would purposely do something to cause a miscarriage to a pregnant woman (against her will, obviously lol),"

Imagine that your girlfriend or wife is pregnant with your baby. Her jealous, crazy ex-bf finds out about it and throws her on the ground and kicks her in her belly and as a result she looses your baby. Will the guy get the same sentence in the court as in the case if your wife/gf wasn't pregnant?


What exactly am I supposed to learn about the subject?

You still did not define "permissive revolution". And do not start to rant about shopping malls (which I hate), pot-smoking (which I don't, actually I have never smoked in my life).

I think you'll find that yes, we are. Duh!


It doesn't look like you are.


So, you think men probably shouldn't masturbate then too?
Isn't every sperm sacred, all 600million of them, per ejaculation? We wouldn't be long overpopulating the world in that case.
What about female periods? I mean, in your view that's probably a waste of eggs? Lol


That's the dumbest thing you've ever posted. You've outdone yourself.


If you wish for your child to contain about half the genetic code of the man who raped you then your an idiot. But, yea, go for it, your body, your choice. Let me know how it works out.


lol

People are not animals.
A sperm or an egg is not a human, an embroy is

A human embryo is not a person.

I am still very curious of your definition of the permissive revolution.

Yes, they quite clearly are. You are very much wrong on you ill-informed opinion.
But that's OK, afterall it's an opinion, however, the fact remains that humans are animals.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human


britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/275376/human-being

Yep, we sure are animals.

Probably a follower of the Theory of Divine Science, which doesn't really have anything to do with science at all. When did ignorance become a point of view?

Since when disrespect and an insult has become a tool to club people with a different point of view on the head and call it science?

OK, then I'll put it in a different way.
Humans are much more developed species, that evolved into something like no other species on the face of the Earth.
We can think, speak, write and fly to the Moon lol
If you watch documentaries about animals on TV you'll also know that (other) animals, unlike humans, according to scientists and researchers, aren't capable of grasping the idea of some more distant future. They live in the present, they are only aware of the present time.

So, unlike other animals, we are able to grasp the idea of future, we can think, predict and that's why we know that if the pregnancy isn't aborted a little Katie or a little John will be born, etc. etc.


And you're basing this opinion of yours on what exactly?


No, you can masturbate to your heart's content lol


Sorry, smurf, we aren't talking about sperm and eggs, but about a new life that already started, I think that's pretty clear.


Why? What is dumb about it? You think such things don't happen? For example, I've watched a documentary about a martial law in Poland and there a story was told of a female protester who was pregnant. She was chased into some building by ZOMO policemen and kicked into her belly and she lost her child.

You find that dumb?


Noone wishes for being impregnated by a rapist in the first place, I hope you're intelligent enough to know that.
What about you, smurf - do you think every man who's father was a rapist is doomed to be a rapist himself?
And what if the baby is a girl? What then?


I don't understand why you have a need to make it so personal and to be so hostile.
Fortunately I don't have to make such a choice, but there are women who had to make a choice and they did, they chose to give birth to and raise those children. Are they idiots?


If those are the best answers you can provide, then I guess there's no point in further discussion.


Then when a person starts, according to you, jon357?

What are you talking about?


One can have a different point of view when it comes to opinions. When it comes to facts, it's either being right or being wrong. It's like saying 2+2 is not 4. You call it a different point of view, I call it ignorance.

Ask the doctors.

I was once taking part in a discussion about human life. Nobody really knows, when does an embroy become a human being ( not an animal but a human, supreme being). You can see it clealry from a much different legislations of the abortion law around the world. Some countries allow abortion until 8 week where as other allow it until the 12 weeks.

Who is right?
If we are so unsure about it that we cant even set a proper date for it then i think that abortion is utterly wrong.

Abortion is the modern day holocaust of around 30 million babies a year... Wince about the year 2000... 13x30 million is about 390 million lives... Each abortion costs lets say 1000 quid, altho it is probably less now.

So we are talking of an income of more than 30 billion pounds of profit to the pockets of mighty abortion corporations!
John Paul 2 was right we live in the civilization of darkness and Death. On an unimaginable scale.
How many people perished in the holocaust? Ten- fifteen million.. Well ...

Regards

Oh boy...

Is oh boy all youve got to say? oO

Pretty much, because that statement did not deserve anything else.

There are mighty abortion corporations?

Do u think that abortnion clinics are founded by govs?

To give an example - the well known Marie Stopes clinics are run by an NGO, not a private business.

I'd be interested in the names of "mighty abortion corporations" though.

Most abortion clinics are funded supported even run by corporations!
Delphiandomine, you can check it out urself.

They are either voluntary organisations or state funded.

I do not think so goofy... although this may depend on the country... Goofy as you are making the statement you should be able to back it up. Or is this just another rant without factual backing?

rhrealitycheck.org/article/2011/11/21/judge-orders-two-michigan-abortion-clinics-closed/

i strongly advise to watch a 180 movie.
Its on youtube.

So a sperm isn't a living thing? Oh OK, I see you didn't bother taking biology in school.





You watch way too much TV. Obviously you believe everything it tells you.
Educate yourself.


Uou think women don't commit rape?
Like I said.
LOL!


Good, your arguments are weak and neither well thought out nor articulated.


Tinfoil hats at the ready.
The loopy brigade have landed.


So which are they?
Oh I see, you're making stuff up.
OK.

Well, they can make this guy a saint but he and his church will still have the blood of millions on their hands.
I would imagine his soul will spend eternity burning in hell.

In September 1990, John Paul II visited the small town of Mwanza, in northern Tanzania, and gave a speech that many believe set the tone for the AIDS crisis in Africa. Being unequivocal, he told his audience that condoms were a sin in any circumstances. He lauded family values and praised fidelity and abstinence as the only true ways to combat the disease.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_HIV/AIDS#Pope_John_Paul_II

He failed as a Pope as he forbade the use of something which, ironically, could have saved many lives.
He also refused to grant or even consider women equal status in the church whilst pretecting all kinds of paedophiles.
I could also mention the greed of wealth the complete failure of the church to help the poor... but what's the point?
If this guy is a hero, and a saint... I'd hate to see what an evil and unpopular pope is like...

+1

Well said Blue.

What doctors? Am I supposed to ask rybnik? lol
I'm asking you, jon357. I'm interested in your opinion. I guess you have one?


I was writing about new human life, genius lol For a new human life to start a spermatozoon has to get into the egg cell and only then the whole process begins. We aren't discussing spermatozoons and egg cells, but a zygote and later stages of embryo development. Zygotes contain DNA derived from both parents, and this provides all the genetic information necessary to form a new individual. You understand now? :P


Actually, I don't :) But I'm rather picky about what I watch, so I usually end up watching some interesting and often educational stuff.


Well, when it's a BBC documentary with David Attenborough in it, then I'm rather trustful :)
I've attended school, smurf, but I like to broaden my knowledge and horizons also by watching documentaries on TV, among others.
Don't you like to get to know new things, smurf? I do.
For example, today I've watched a documentary on Polish TV "Children of Agent Orange". I didn't know about Agent Orange before watching this documentary and what it caused in Vietnam. From watching this documentary you could, for example, learn what you can read in an article on a BBC site: "The US compensates its veterans exposed to the defoliant, but does not compensate Vietnamese nationals."

bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-19190509

Well, I guess that documentary and the BBC article could be lying about this, but I don't see why they would do that.


About what exactly? What do I don't know, according to you? You still fail to answer this.


It happens, but very rarely in comparisment to men. So it's highly unlikely that if it's a girl, she'll rape anyone in the future.

But you haven't answered my question - do you think every man who's father was a rapist is doomed to be a rapist himself?


You're yet to prove that, because so far you haven't managed to. Sorry, smurf, but I don't consider comments like "That's the dumbest thing you've ever posted" as strong, well thought out and well articulated counterarguments ;D

Smurf is just funny, i tend to read his posts chuckling from time to time.
Blues, i dont see anything wrong with what john paul II said, marriage isnt just about sex! There married couple with a husband that sexually inactive! They still love themselves the same or even more than normal couples!

Condoms, as I said earlier, are a sin because they show that you dont trust God.
Human beings are not like other animals and with a bit of will we can overcome our insticts.
Take it or leave it.
You loudly shout that Catholic religion should not force its ways upon, ok but we want the same from you!
Want to do something for africa? Surewhy not! But shouting mindless crap is not helping them for sure, however sending money to caritas will.