Jaruzelski dead / his legacy in Poland

Yes, but when I click that I'm told "Reszta artykułu dostępna dla naszych prenumeratorów", which unless my Polish has got much worse basically says 'Subscribers only'.

SRight, as promised then,
These are the sources confirming that Jaruzelski was an antisemite:



Edit:
To any defender of Jaruzelski, I invite to search and watch a film under a title: "Towarzysz General".. don't think that it will change your opinion.. but to those that have a very shady knowledge of this Persona non Grata maybe it will shed some light?

Cardinal Nycz said that the two days to the funeral he will spend on prayer and everyone should do the same. He also said Jaruzelski is tragic and controvensial figure but any summary should be made after the funeral. It's nice to see a clergyman with such sensible attitude.

Two days have been to the funeral of General Jaruzelski Let's spend in prayer. In this way, should be accompanied by family and yourself dead - calls for Cardinal Kazimierz Nycz . - General is a tragic character , and controversial , but the time for settlement will be on May 30 - the cardinal added .

Yes, but most of the people who are planning to protest at the funeral think that they are better Catholics than the Cardinal.


Actually it was his parents who moved to UK.

Harry, on the main forums, you need to be discussing the title of the thread and not other members.

True and some of them just want to cause trouble.

Thanks for sharing that view with us, goofy, but we people of Poland will decide who is and is not buried in our country.

The decission has been made- Jaruzelski will be buried on Powązki
Good! That's exactly here he belongs.

I happened to be living in Poland at the time Jaruzelski declared a state of emergency. It as very scary. I don't remember a single person, not a one, cursing him or declaring him a traitor. I think history's going to be kind to him.

Sobieski all i know is that theres plenty of associations of Polish patriits (not talking about nationalists) that are opposing this burial.
If u only made this rather short post to troll then to answer your question i dont know i have never actually met those ppl.

Why isnt anyone speaking about the family of the victims?
Surely they should be able to decide.

Can't you just run it through google translate? That is what you have done with the 'sources' you quote from in your first post in this thread.

Here, let me give you a very rough translation (only the second half, remember the 100-word rule you completely ignore in your first post):
For me it is a completely incomprehensible attitude. If in such a situation I introduced martial law, I'd bet that a few thousand people may die; and if it turned out that only a few were killed, I'd jumped with joy, and not worry! In 1982 the General not a politician, not a military leader, he only wanted there to be peace and order, no Soviets invading Poland and Solidarnosc not starting a civil war ...

Prof. Norman Davies is right calling the introduction of martial law in 1981, "the most perfect military coup in the history of modern Europe." However, although that the tool was excellent, was anything accomplished with its help?

Accusing the General of causing loss of life is absurd. Yesterday I listened to Adam Słomka call for him to be sentenced for his ciphertext authorizing the military to shoot people. But just a few days ago, parliament passed a law authorizing the military to do exactly the same! Is voting for this act realizing that if in a riot and military uses weapons, the Interior Minister will be condemned and those who voted for this law will be prosecuted in the same way?!? This is absurd: the police and the army weapons so they can use those weapon

The only organization opposing that I heard of was IPN ( I wouldn't call it an association of Polish patriots) and as was stated by some politician (can't remember the name) they have no voice in this. They are supposed to be research facility.

Some people should stop reading Michnik's propaganda and search for the info on more independent sites than gazeta.pl, onet, nteria or rfm.pl

Sources:




Interestingly I could not find any sources claiming that the IPN want to do a protest.. if that is tru egreat (the more the better) but Lenka, please could you share a source please?

Kindest Regards

Your links:
One, Pieta is just an MP not an association of patriots.
Next two (the same organzation I see) - organization of past and FUTURE(? hahaha) political prisoners? Again, to me it doesn't hold any signifance. An organization that is basically unknown to Poles. I would pay more attention to Pieta's words since he actually may convince some Poles.

The Republic of Poland is built on a foundation of values ​​such as independence , freedom , truth and human dignity. In the post-war period of enslavement in their defense became tens of thousands of Poles , many of whom paid a high price - the loss of life, health or freedom. Among those who from the beginning of the dictatorship of the Communist fought with these values ​​was Wojciech Jaruzelski , "- said in a statement the president of IPN Lukasz Kaminski .

Is this enough for you?

Lenko,
one needn't go to the Polish border. The Red Army was stationed at all the major cities just ready to spring into action

Well Rybnik, you were here but Goofy doesn't believe witnesses, he needs a proof in a historic book but probably only one that supports his view.

And vice verca to u lenka.
Tvn24.. ;)
So not only do the organisations that you didnt know about, catholic societies created around Fronda.pl and a polish MP but also a partially state funded IPN is against Jaruzelskis burial on powazki?

Dammm.

Perhaps a picture might help him? Here's a map from a Czech army officer showing where the forces they knew about (and part of) were going to:

fronda is a fascist mouthpiece. And for that mp...even his own party distances itself from his initiative.

Now don't be a silly boy Rybnik. This is not time for opinions. Poland was split exactly 50/50 as to whether Martial Law was illegal or not. It was called a referundum.

And the educated amongst us know he was a wrong-un and should have been buried years ago.

I agree with Rybnik. And I don't know what education you got, Dougpol, but I don't think it's good enough to speak for other educated people.

Me too. He was, above any other consideration, there at the time.


It's a discussion forum.


That's quite scary. I've seen Soviet-era maps of my home town (the industry there would have been of interest in times of war) however to see part of the actual battle plan to come into PL so recently is chilling. The General at least pre-empted that.


Your post doesn't suggest your education stretched to using English well.

Is he coming back? If not I don't see problem.


Yes, he was.


You sound like a nice chap but you are a naive person.

That would depend on metaphysics and religion.


Well, you're entitled to your opinion, however a broader consensus is that his career and term of office as leader were in times so unusual that conventional moral benchmarks are inappropriate.

the New York Times summary of his life:


nytimes.com/2014/05/26/world/europe/gen-wojciech-jaruzelski-polands-last-communist-leader-dies-at-90.html

Come to Katowice then, and I'll introduce you to 10,000. Palpable nonsense. If the mob could have laid hands on him at that time, according to my circles, there wouldn't have been a bone left unbroken.

Next?

Merged: Watch "Towarzysz Generał" on TVP Historia tonight at 9 PM

Be sure to watch the documentary "Towarzysz Generał" on TVP Historia tonight at 9 PM. This film was kept shelved by the PO regime so as not to offend the sensibilities of those who regard Jaruzelski as (believe it or not!) "a man of honour".

Didn't you make a thread about this earlier today that was merged into another?