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Human Trafficking in and from Poland


trener zolwia  1 | 939  
10 Oct 2010 /  #31
the alleged praise of socialism in my post

Well, generally after a Leftie whines about the cost of student loans for higher education this is followed by calls to chnage this and have the government pay for higher education, as it does in some Lib socialist places.

Besides, to call the wide availability of student loans which have permitted many to attend college who otherwise may not have been able to "human trafficking" is just silly. But some people are never satisfied...
z_darius  14 | 3960  
10 Oct 2010 /  #32
Well, generally after a Leftie whines about the cost of student loans for higher education this is followed by calls to chnage this and have the government pay for higher education.

I don't know what lefties generally do. Perhaps if I were one I would.

Oh, and where does the government get the money from?
In my bood there is no such thing as "government money".
Eurola  4 | 1898  
10 Oct 2010 /  #33
I thought it was about human trafficking not about student loans...lol.

I don't feel sorry for the women 'falling' for all the promises and the big money abroad in some exotic country. Really, they know what's ahead of them. I read/heard plenty of stories decades ago! Don't they hear/read about this stuff now!? So, it makes me think... they know what they are getting into.

Nobody deserves to have their passports taken away and forced to do what they don't want to do. The Johns should be punished for that, but the ones who want to satisfy the demand for services?...let them. Don't kid yourself, prostitution will never go away.
Chicago Pollock  7 | 503  
10 Oct 2010 /  #34
Eurola, everybody can't be a Type A personality professional women. The pimps target the ladies that aren't too bright. Doesn't mean that the Polish Government can't devote some resources rescuing these girls from their circumstances. It's terrible that they allow this to go on, labor and sex trafficking.
Eurola  4 | 1898  
10 Oct 2010 /  #35
Eurola, everybody can't be a Type A personality professional women.

Hmm...why..Thank you.. but I was 18 once too. Poland is not exactly a 3rd world country where people live or lived in such poverty. There should not be any Polki so gullible.
convex  20 | 3928  
10 Oct 2010 /  #36
I don't feel sorry for the women 'falling' for all the promises and the big money abroad in some exotic country. Really, they know what's ahead of them.

So you think that all the people that went to the UK for hospitality and labor jobs thought they were going to be trafficked? That they just took the risk when applying, and it just so happened to be a real job?

The problem with the advertisements, is that between 99 legit ads, there will be one that's not. It's still a large medium for finding work abroad.

The pimps target the ladies that aren't too bright.

That's not true. The people that I met through La Strada were quite the opposite. It's easy to be pressured by violence especially when you're not used to it.
southern  73 | 7059  
10 Oct 2010 /  #37
In my opinion the women who are engaged in prostitution travel abroad just for that.For example a girl wants cosmetics,expensive clothes,furs,her nails done,car etc,who is going to pay for that?Prostitution is the easy solution for many of them.Also in these countries it is acceptable that a girl who studies has some sponsors to pay her rent for example even married men do that and their wives know and tolerate that.
poland_  
13 Oct 2010 /  #38
Miroslaw N., owner of an advertising agency and who appeared in a popular TV series in Poland has been allegedly involved in human trafficking in Italy.

The Pole is being charged with being a middleman for Italian mafia which forced young women into prostitution.

His agency, which reportedly specialized in erotic shows, including “jelly-fights and wet T-shirt contests” recruited women for the Italian La Nuit night club. Miroslaw N. promised them a job as a model, hostess or a waitress but, in fact, the women had to work as prostitutes, it is alleged.

The dirty business got exposed by coincidence, when a woman was found dead in the Italian region of Campbasso in 2005. Police established that she worked in a local night club in which Polish women were also employed and which Miroslaw N. cooperated with.

“The women were promised high salaries and legal jobs as waitresses or hostesses. They were to sign a job contract in Italy but instead they were forced into prostitution and earned peanuts. Some of them were beaten and their passports were taken away,” Maciej Romanowski from the Department for Combating Human Trafficking told the Rzeczpospolita daily.

Miroslaw N. and his wife became famous in 2003 following the broadcast of the TVP documentary series Ballada o lekkim zabarwieniu erotycznym (Ballad with a Slightly Erotic Undertone). The series showed young women who dream about being a model but start their career as erotic dancers.

The Pole is now in custody and has been charged with human trafficking and involvement in an international crime organization which recruited women to work in Italian, Greek and Japanese night clubs as prostitutes
pgtx  29 | 3094  
13 Oct 2010 /  #39
The Pole is now in custody and has been charged with human trafficking and involvement in an international crime organization which recruited women

good.... i hope he'll rot in jail...
A J  4 | 1075  
13 Oct 2010 /  #40
I don't feel sorry for the women 'falling' for all the promises and the big money abroad in some exotic country. Really, they know what's ahead of them. I read/heard plenty of stories decades ago! Don't they hear/read about this stuff now!?

I know what you mean, but of course not every girl is willing to prostitute herself, and many get tricked into ''working'' abroad.

Don't kid yourself, prostitution will never go away.

Which is exactly why it shouldn't be looked down upon. I mean, this business should be made perfectly legal, in all its aspects. It should be supervised and checked 24/7. Prostitutes should have rights, shouldn't ever be forced into sex, have a safe working environment and enjoy protection of the law, and have people to turn to if necessary.

But of course I'm a scumbag for suggesting honesty and transparency, but even if this would ever happen, people would still have to be on their guard when it comes to intimidation, blackmailing, etc.

It's sad. Some nice guys out there die of loneliness, while those who really don't deserve a woman rape them by the dozens.

:(
jonni  16 | 2475  
13 Oct 2010 /  #41
I don't feel sorry for the women 'falling' for all the promises and the big money abroad in some exotic country.

Some Polish women were recruited in Poland, by two Polish men, to work in pubs in the UK. When they got there, their passports were taken away and they were locked up in a brothel in my city (Leeds). The case only came to light when one of the women told a regular customer who went to the police. This type of thing has to stop.

The women became concerned when they were not taken to do bar work and Szydlowski turned nasty, alleged Mr Woolfall.
"He told them they were going to a brothel," he said. "He was aggressive with one woman and slapped her across the face saying 'Do you think everything is so nice? You have to pay - why do you think you were coming?'"
Mr Woolfall added both women felt they had no option but to do as told, saying: "He controlled them. There was no-one they could rely on for help."
When they were taken to the massage parlour their passports were taken by the receptionist and were told to get changed.

yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Polish-women-snared-by-sex.825781.jp
A J  4 | 1075  
13 Oct 2010 /  #42
Exactly. I guess that's how ''dangerous'' these criminals really are? I mean, of course they threaten women with harming their families back home if they ever leave, but the truth is that most of these criminals wouldn't ever touch anyone's family, because that would really force the police to hunt them down, and they know it. It's good to know some customers still have a heart though. I wish more people were like that. All you need in this world is a couple of balls to make something happen. (Atleast that's what I like to think!)

:)
trener zolwia  1 | 939  
13 Oct 2010 /  #43
this business should be made perfectly legal, in all its aspects. It should be supervised and checked 24/7.

I'm no fan of the business but I'd go alone with that. If someone willingly goes into that line of work then who are we to tell them No? They could be licensed (and tested) like other professionals.

And just so long we get to kill the jerks who force girls into it...
A J  4 | 1075  
13 Oct 2010 /  #44
I'm no fan of the business but I'd go alone with that.

I would give anything to put these animals out of business, and probably even more if it means saving the lives of many young and beautiful women. (I know, I'm sounding like a megalomaniac right now, but still!)

If someone willingly goes into that line of work then who are we to tell them No?

Hey, men will always want women, and women will always be looking for ways to use that to their own advantage. That's how it was, how it is, and how it will be. So we can do two things; We can continue to socially stigmatize them for having sex with people, which almost everybody has, and keep this business in the dark, with all the negative consequences, or we can grow up, be realistic and accept the facts, and make it a safer business for everyone, including the customers.

They could be licensed (and tested) like other professionals.

I wouldn't mind to be a Vice-President (Literally!) and test them for you guys. To ensure quality of course, and not because I'm totally despicable.

xD

Okay, we're trying to be serious.
convex  20 | 3928  
13 Oct 2010 /  #45
I wouldn't mind to be a Vice-President (Literally!) and test them for you guys. To ensure quality of course, and not because I'm totally despicable.

You're a selfless man AJ, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

One a side note, with the situation in the swamp, do you feel that the industry is regulated enough to consider it "safe"? Is there a lot of pressure on illegal prostitution?
trener zolwia  1 | 939  
13 Oct 2010 /  #46
We can continue to socially stigmatize them for having sex with people, which almost everybody has, and keep this business in the dark

I'm all for keeping this part in place. We can decriminalize the business and make it safer without making it fully mainstream, socially acceptable.

If it were to go mainstream, next thing we know we'd have prostitution ads on TV and hookers indoctrinating school children about how 'normal' being a ***** was...
Natasa  1 | 572  
14 Oct 2010 /  #47
Countries that decriminalized prostitution actually had as an effect raise of human trafficking, so for the owners of the brothels and those involved in trafficking it was a good thing to do, they always find a way to use law, or bypass it , women had more or less nothing of that.

"Legalization and/or regulation of prostitution, according to the study, led to:

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A dramatic increase in all facets of the sex industry,
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A dramatic increase in the involvement of organized crime in the sex industry,
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A dramatic increase in child prostitution,
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An explosion in the number of foreign women and girls trafficked into the region, and
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Indications of an increase in violence against women.

In the state of Victoria, Australia, where a system of legalized, regulated brothels was established, there was such an explosion in the number of brothels that it immediately overwhelmed the system's ability to regulate them, and just as quickly these brothels became a mire of organized crime, corruption, and related crimes. In addition, surveys of the prostitutes working under systems of legalization and regulation find that the prostitutes themselves continue to feel coerced, forced, and unsafe in the business."


prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772

Link with lists of countries and their way to regulate prostitution (illegal, partially legal, legal)

As for being a role models for the kids, I think that story is finished. Women involved in pûrnography are now completely legitimate successful entrepreneurs, they are even writers.

I read Jenna Jamison's master piece just to see what does she have to say to the world.
Sad story. At the same time Tracy Lords published her memoirs. I didn't have time to read that too, but ambitious young girls will find wisdom there or many useful "how to" s.

Actually Europe, Italy had that before with Cicciolina who was elected as a representative in Italian parliament. (Teresa Orlowski in Germany also tried to present herself as serious actress, but she didn't make it, so she is now just a successful producer) I think that regardless to that fact Italians saw Cicciolina just as a pûrnography star, so her position in Italian society was quite clear, not like status of the girls in USA who are presented as some kind of real show biz stars. (way to go girls;))

It is becoming mainstream if it's not already.
Amathyst  19 | 2700  
14 Oct 2010 /  #48
The UK Border Agency (UKBA) said the scam, which may have involved up to 130 workers, was one of Britain's largest human trafficking conspiracies.

Lukasz Adamowicz, 28, and Jerzy Bala, 40, appeared at Sheffield Crown Court.

The court, sitting on Friday, heard they were "middle managers" of an operation focussed on Sheffield.

It was told how the scam involved Polish men handing over hundreds of pounds before they were housed in "stinking and dingy" conditions in the derelict Halcar Tavern, in the Burngreave area of Sheffield.


bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-11507393

Seems its got a whole lot worse in the UK since the enlargement of the EU
trener zolwia  1 | 939  
14 Oct 2010 /  #49
Countries that decriminalized prostitution actually had as an effect raise of human trafficking

Really? Didn't know this. I guess we'll have to rethink this strategy too.

It is becoming mainstream if it's not already.

Sad. Who would even buy their books, other than someone with a professional interest like you?
Natasa  1 | 572  
14 Oct 2010 /  #50
There are two big bookshop chains in Belgrade, above mentioned writers were very exposed after publishing, so i couldn't miss it.

I bought the book honestly more out of personal curiosity, I thought that somebody wrote that instead of them (probably true) so that I will find inside some romantic description of mechanisms that regulate the industry, but when I started reading it, it looked mostly like her honest confession about her life.

There were her inner world should be, was a great dark hole.
It was really sad.
My impression was just emptiness.
I never heard from anybody anything similar to her description of the world.
Too simple and without any meaningful content (affects?).

I think guys in the late 30 is, married and bored to death were the best buyers of those books, they spent their youth watching movies with Tracy lords. My guess is that some kind of mixture of nostalgia and bedroom boredom was primary motive for that purchase (at least here). I think they were very disappointed ;)
trener zolwia  1 | 939  
14 Oct 2010 /  #51
writers were very exposed

Hehehe. :D

mixture of nostalgia and bedroom boredom was primary motive for that purchase (at least here).

You old perv! :p

There were her inner world should be, was a great dark hole.
It was really sad.
My impression was just emptiness.
I never heard from anybody anything similar to her description of the world.
Too simple and without any meaningful content (affects?).

But seriously, at least they don't glamorize the profession, which is good. By your description not too many young girls should be drawn to it by the books.
Natasa  1 | 572  
14 Oct 2010 /  #52
You old perv! :p

hey! I'm not that old ;)

I think they didn't describe it as glamorous, there is, if I remember it correctly , some sort of triumph on the end, like her dreams came true, bla bla, but in general it is not passing that massage to the readers.

There was no massage at all there when I think again. No, not at all.
Lonman  4 | 109  
15 Oct 2010 /  #53
thanks for the la strada link. Very interesting group.

Another interesting link for a US based group. polarisproject.org
boletus  30 | 1356  
11 Jun 2011 /  #54
Four years ago, in a cold and rainy September day, a Chechen women Kamisa Jamaldinov - with four children in tow, crossed the Ukrainian-Polish border in Bieszczady Mountains, South-Eastern Poland. When they lost their way she left her three daughters under a pitiful pile of branches and leaves and - with her youngest boy of 2.5 - desperately tried to find some help. The two were lucky - they came across the border guards and they survived. The girls - 6, 10 and 13 years old - died of hypothermia.

Now, here is a new story, reported Translated from Polish source.

Doctor: Afghans could die from exhaustion
Dariusz Delmanowicz

The health of Afghan children and their parents, who have been treated at the District Hospital in Ustrzyki Dolne, improves. Extremely exhausted immigrants were found in the Bieszczady Mountains. The youngest of the children, a girl, is only 2 years old. The oldest of five siblings is a 9-year-old boy. They stay in the pediatric ward - accompanied by their parents: 26-year-old mother and 38-year-old father.

The family - as much as we were able to determine - left war-torn Afghanistan two months ago. Last weekend, led by a guide, they arrived at the Polish-Ukrainian border. They crossed it in Sianki, near the sources of river San. And this is where they were found by the Border Guard officers from Stuposiany - on late Sunday afternoon, extremely exhausted. - They just sat there in the bush - says Anna Michalska with Bieszczady Border Guard in Przemyśl. - They were completely exhausted due to a long trek and the current heat waves. They had no food, change of clothes, or even water bottles. Nothing.

- They risked a lot - says doctor Janusz Ejsmond, head of the internal branch of the District Hospital in Ustrzyki Dolne. - If their dehydration lasted longer it could have lead to devastating consequences, especially for the younger patients.

The family will remain in the hospital at least until Friday. They are out of danger now. They might want to ask for refugee status. In a few days the will be transferred to the Guarded Centre for Foreigners in Przemyśl. Nurses from the hospital are moved by the fate of this 7-person family. They collect the most essential clothing and toys. They still remember the story of Kamisa Jamaldinov, who was brought to their hospital in September 2007.
delphiandomine  86 | 17823  
11 Jun 2011 /  #55
In a few days the will be transferred to the Guarded Centre for Foreigners in Przemyśl.

And will be sent over to Ukraine after that - there's a treaty in place which obliges Ukraine to take them back.
boletus  30 | 1356  
11 Jun 2011 /  #56
So it must be a new treaty - the ill-fated Chechen family stays in Poland, as I incidentally found out just an hour ago.

A former Ukrainian border guard officer was arrested yesterday by the Ukrainian Security Service. He is accused of organizing human trafficking on the Polish-Ukrainian border, and in particular - of smuggling a Chechen woman, Kamisa Jamaldinov and four of her children, on September 2007.

The man who organized smuggling operation of Kamisa and her children, was wanted since April 2008, when he was identified as a main culprit. He was detained at one of Kiev bazaars, where he worked as a salesman. - We have worked very closely with the Ukrainian side for several months following the tragedy on the border. Later, the Ukrainians have been working on this issue by themselves - said Anna Michalska with the Bieszczady Border Guard.

In 2007, Kamisa and her three daughters - 6-year-old Emma, a 10-year Sieda and 13-year-old Chava - and her 2-year old son Emim wanted to reach Slovakia, and then through Austria go further west. She paid $2700 to the former officer of the Ukrainian border guard.

boletus: Their story is described in post #1

Kamisa, her son and her husband Pasha - who also had planned to cross the border illegally but after the death of the girls he did so legally - stay in Poland. They live in Wolsztyn, where they were offered an apartment from the local government.

translated from Polish source:

Translated from Polish source:nowiny24.pl

They flee through Bieszczady. Instead of reaching heaven they land in brothels
Chris Potaczała

They flee through Bieszczady to the west. Future prostitutes, criminals ... Bieszczady Border Guards have detained about hundred illegal immigrants last year. Human trafficking and contraband of cigarettes is an everyday reality.

Although the external frontier of the European Union is packed with watchtowers, Asians and citizens of the former Soviet Union continue their attempts to force it and move deep into Poland or further west. Until recently, Poland was considered only a transit country for most immigrants. Today - more and more often - it is treated on an equal footing with other EU countries. Although for an Ukrainian Poland is still a worse place to live than Germany or Italy, but for a Vietnamese or a Chinese - not necessarily so.

Flee both - poor and rich
- Go to see Wólka Kosowska near Warsaw - says an operations officer with Bieszczady Border Guard. - There are many Asians there, this is a big shopping centre. Some of them are legal residents, many others are illegal, with outdated residence permits from the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Many have lived there for 5-6 years.

According to border guards, who interrogate detained immigrants, the belief that illegal immigrants to Europe are solely poor, miserable and persecuted in their countries by totalitarian regimes is completely false. - There are only few such people; the majority of them live at decent level, as evidenced by photographs of their homes, money carried or even clothing - assures the operations officer of Bieszczady Border Guard.

- But their excuses are often similar. They flee to Europe, because they want to quickly settle down and prepare a place for other family members. A myth of a quickly achievable wealth and of unfettered freedom is extremely strong and effectively obscures the reality. Another category of illegals are the common criminals fleeing from justice in their countries.

Over the mountains and forests of the Ukrainian-Polish border go men, women and children. One feels most sorry for the latter - fearful, often frostbitten and hungry. The case of Kamisa the Chechen, who three years ago has lost three daughters in the Bieszczady Mountains, is the most tragic example of a failed human trafficking. Even though it was widely reported, not only in Poland, it has not discouraged other Chechen, Georgian and Moldovan families from following their dreams.

Women land in brothels
- Typically most Ukrainian guides abandon groups of illegal immigrants before they even reach the border - says another operating officer of the Bieszczady Border Guard. - They only point in the direction to go and disappear. In addition, they often lie, telling the disoriented immigrants that Germany is just beyond the forest in front of them. The average Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan has no idea where he is, and these people put their entire faith into their guides - who are devoid of any feelings.

On must feel sorry for women, mostly young and pretty, who - after crossing to central Poland or to the West - land in brothels. - Some are aware of the way how they will be paying back for the smuggling, others only learn about it later, at their destination - say the officers. - Vietnamese and Chinese women are in majority. Recently, we stopped a group in which there were a few girls. One had an album of her professional photos. She was well prepared for the new life.

And men? They can be divided into those who want to work illegally and to those who will seek political asylum. - The problem is that, in many cases, they can hardly explain who persecutes them and how - says an officer with the Border Guard facility in Krościenko. - Frequently, it shows that nothing of the sort takes place. But there are cases that whole families flee from war-torn countries - more and more frequently from Afghanistan.

With GPS or blindly
The section of the eastern border, which is controlled by the Bieszczady Border Guard is the toughest. It is hilly, densely wooded, traversed by ravines and streams. On the surface, it is easy for the illegals to hide here, to dodge the chasing border guards and avoid them for miles and miles. Especially if they are led by an experienced guide equipped with GPS. - Once a group of Vietnamese crossed the Polish border near Stuposiany, but we only stopped them at Otryt massif, 28 km away from the border - says an officer from Stuposiany. - This shows how difficult it is to work in such terrain, and that the modern smugglers are equipped with the newest devices.

- We sometimes deliberately allow a larger group of illegals to enter deeply into Polish territory - adds the border police officer. - We are mostly interested in catching the organizers and in liquidation of their smuggling channels. Only then we can talk about success.

Most of individual immigrants, who go on their own, do not even have a map and a compass. This concerns mainly Asians. They wander around, lose their strength - playing with their life. Their trip to Europe often ends up in a hospital - with frostbites, pneumonia, or psychic trauma.

Having left their dearest in home country, paid a smuggler $7,000-8,000 per person and then being caught with almost certain deportation awaiting is a trauma for those people - say border guards.

Sometimes the guards save lives of illegals. Kamisa and her son survived, because the patrol from Ustrzyki Górne spotted them high in the mountains. Two Georgians were also lucky last Winter, when - after forcing their way through the border in vicinity of high pastures - were brought to a hospital in a state of extreme hypothermia. Lucky was also an Iraqi woman who was discovered unconscious in Bukowiec.

In October of this year, a Ukrainian escaped death, who - after breaching the border on the San river - wandered around for few days until he fainted from exhaustion in a grove near Smolnik. He had fresh stitches from recent surgery, diseased kidneys, and perhaps it was his third attempt to break out to the West.

With cigarettes through woods and a river
The border does not lack desperadoes. Last year, another Ukrainian boarded a raft and floated down the San river to Sękowiec. - It was February, a big thaw, the snow was melting fast, and the water rose fast by a minute - reports the border guard from Stuposiany. - And he was on that pontoon, on the rough, cold San... He would have probably floated further down, but the pontoon was punctured, so he had to climb up ashore. It turned out that he spent 11 years - out of his 33 years of age - in prison, and his run down the river was a test in preparation for a potential cigarettes smuggling channel.

The contraband of cigarettes is, in addition to human trafficking, the most serious threat to the Bieszczady section along the eastern border.

Only in September and October last year two Polish-Ukrainian groups were caught. They specialized in smuggling and trafficking of Ukrainian cigarettes.

- Usually, the Ukrainian goods are carried to an agreed upon point in the woods, then picked and transported from there into the Poland - explains the officer from Krościenko. - Involved are mostly young people, sometimes minor, often from dysfunctional families. They do not make big money, but the money is not little either.

Cigarettes are smuggled almost exclusively by residents of the border towns and villages. They are very familiar with the terrain and they know how to avoid patrols. Cartons of cigarettes are carried in backpacks or in boxes wrapped with belts.

Usually one person moves 20 cartons at a time - with 20 packages in carton. In Ukraine, a packet of cigarettes costs an average of 2 PLN, in Poland a peddler sells it for 6-7 PLN.

- With such a profit, the smugglers are ready for anything - emphasizes the officer. - They would not not hesitate to use the knife, and maybe a gun if stopped by a border guard. One of these was pursued by guards for many kilometers. He crashed near Sanok.

Translated from the pages of Polish Border Guard, Bieszczady region:

2011-04-13: Two migrants from Moldova, who were heading to the Western Europe, were detained by officers from Border Guard, Korczowa outpost, in Kobylnica Wołoska - 2.5 km from the border. Two young men: 23-year-old Anatoliy and 27-year-old Vitalik crossed on foot the so-called green border between Ukraine and Poland. They did not have any documents or money. Following an investigation, both citizens of Moldova will be handed over to Ukrainian Border Guard, on the basis of the agreement on the readmission.

2011-05-09: Officers of the Border Guard - from Bieszczady Division, outposts in Wojtkowa and Krościenko - arrested a family of five Afghans in the vicinity of Grąziowa - 10 km from the Polish-Ukrainian border, who crossed the border on foot from the Ukraine to Polish.

The detained illegal migrants are a married couple with a seven-year-old child and their two relatives. They explained that their goal was to reach Western Europe, where they planned to take up a job. While hiking from Ukraine to the Polish Bieszczady they used a compass and a map. They had no documents or money.

2011-06-03 : Yesterday, officers from the Bieszczady Border Guard detained two groups of illegal immigrants. Around noon a Border Guard patrol from Stuposiany outpost, stopped three Georgians near the village of Smolnik, who made the illegal crossing of Ukrainian-Polish border. The migrants are 43-, 42- and 30-years-old. One of them had already tried twice to cross the border by car in 2010 - each time being refused the entry. He then moved to Kiev, until few weeks ago when he was joined by the other two Georgians. They paid 300 euros to an unknown Ukrainian, who led them to the Ukrainian-Border. They explained that they intended to look for a job in Germany.

2011-06-03: Also yesterday, in late evening, officers of the Korczowa outpost, detained a group consisting of 4 people near the village Wielkie Oczy. The migrants - all citizens of Moldova - are a married couple (32- and 23-years old) and their two friends (24- and 19-years-old). One of the men has already been arrested in 2006 by Border Guard officers from Bieszczady Division, when he tried to sneak to Poland in the same illegal way - through the so-called "green border".

The migrants were going to go to Warsaw, to join their friends living there and to try to find jobs with their help.
Lonman  4 | 109  
18 Nov 2012 /  #57
Hey can anyone suggest any groups working in Poland besides LaStrada? I did meet with the head of LaStrada briefly a few weeks ago. Nice lady but they are more passive in their approach.

I am looking to speak with people who are interested in a more aggressive approach to combating human trafficking through Poland. At the moment just finishing up a visit to SE Asia where I took a look at efforts here using investigative and other means to rescue and combat trafficking.

Most recent US State Dept report 2012 including Poland:

state.gov/documents/organization/192597.pdf
Ant63  13 | 410  
18 Nov 2012 /  #58
Nice lady but they are more passive in their approach.

This seems to be the inherent approach to most things in Poland. No-one appears to want to put their head above the parapit in case they get shot down.

There is an organisation called ITAKA that is dealing with parental abductions amongst other things. This may fall under their umbrella. They are a little passive for my taste though, and typically Polish in not really understanding fully concepts from, shall we say, the west.
Lonman  4 | 109  
19 Nov 2012 /  #59
Ant63
I will drop you a pm. Curious to hear your views on being more active in Poland.

Here is a link to an interesting faith based network that is looking to be more active in their approach, from what they tell me.

europeanfreedomnetwork.org/index.html
peterweg  37 | 2305  
19 Nov 2012 /  #60
understanding fully concepts from, shall we say, the west.

You mean the "West's" habit of fabricating a story to suit their agenda?

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