Hollywood's War with Poland.

Don't want to be a wise crack, but La Vita é Bella is about Italian Jews and has no connection whatsoever to Poland. He even doesn't go to a KZ in Poland, but in Italy. Yes! there were KZ's in Italy too.

Edit: but apart from that you're right. This thread is mighty boring and even annoying as well.

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M-G (haec hactenus)

I know, I was talking about war movies in general about Germany.
Now Germans should be upset that it's portrayed as evil ba$tards

True, nearly all mad professors with super weapons planning for world domination have heavy German accents.
In the Osterman Weekend the killing psychopath was played by Rutger Hauer and is a Dutch. Did we Dutch get annoyed by this? Heck no, we all thought it was a great movie :)

This thread is proof that some Poles have cultivated complaining and whinging and whining to a cultural phenomena that is meeting with more and more irritation outside of PL. They really should stop doing that.

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M-G (haec hactenus)

Rutger Hauer is cool...


*nods*

We make super duper Über-villains! *waits for third Hellboy movie*

LOL

Come on.

America as land of opportunity, yes. Money grows on trees, definitely NO.

MareGaea


True and It's embarrassing. The fact is the Polish community in the United States is highly successful. Some people on this board depict us as some sort of downtrodden minority. I don't know where they get this stuff. Most Americans of Polish ancestry are part of the professional managerial class, they integrate into American society and are virtually invisible.

You are going to have to less mysterious and identify the film first or explain the context, then we'll talk.

How would Americans, or for that matter Europeans or Asians, have any idea what went on in the Warsaw ghetto besides from what they "learned' from Hollywood movies? What that scene shows is an impossibility, insulting to Poles, and you yourself have made some asinine comments about it, but I only suppose that is because I say otherwise.

If you see a scene of a Dutch doctor, van Dick, injecting Anne Frank with typhus, will your reaction be, good scene - this is exactly what happened. Or perhaps a Jewish doctor?

This is true. Most people who have never been to Poland or know Poles get their impression of Poland/Poles from what they hear and see in the media and Hollywood movies. I mean its not like there is any reason for average people to think about the Poles unless someone from the propaganda organs of Hollywood or the media have gotten their attention and are focusing on the Poles.


LOL. Oh please.

Nobody cares about this issue except people like you.

Poles complain like 20% as much as Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. have complained against propaganda against them and I'm sure you wouldn't say the same things about those groups. In fact you would probably say how wonderful it is that they keep complaining about perceived propaganda against them. Especially the Jews.


Are you referring to one of those anti-Polish Holocaust movies where they have a character that is a terrible anti-semitic Polish doctor? I forget the name of that anti-Polish movie.

Haven't seen that, but it is normal for me as a Pole and a Varsovian, interested in the history of my city, to identify ********(oops,I said bullsh*t, how rude) when I see it. "Mistakes" like that scene I posted are deliberate. My question to M-G was how would he react to such obvious misrepresentations of basic facts (read lies)had it hit closer to home for him.

So your stance is that they are too ignorant to know any better. Fine. But if they are so ignorant, how can they be expected to recognise a Polish army uniform? Sorry if that dilemma doesn't fit with what you want that film to mean.


It insults Poles if they wish to interpret that clip in the way that you want to. For all you know the bit before the film could be somebody saying "This is lie that the international Jewish banker conspiracy wants Americans to believe about Polish-Jewish relations during the war." Or it could be the context that I interpreted it. Or it could be the way that you interpreted it (with the obvious problem that anybody stupid enough to get their history from films won't recognise a Polish army uniform).

Which film is this, Harry?

And he is shown as a brave man, a decent man and, in fact, someone who accepts others not for their race but for who they are. he is also shown as changing and sacrificing his life to safeguard the future of the Hymong boy.

Likewise, in Monsters' Ball BBT's character is shown as someone who changes and overcomes his racism.

I have as much idea as you do. The difference is that you interpret in a way that is insulting to Christian Poles while I say that it could actually show Christian and Jewish Poles working together or could just be a provocation.

I already wrote about the Osterman Weekend in which the killing psychopath is a Dutch. As far as I know I didn't think much of it, I just liked the movie. Dutch just shrug their shoulders and watch the film. The film later has been remade as The Hitcher, perhaps you know this one. I watched that one too and I must say that I hated the psychopath in the Hitcher much more than the one in the Osterman Weekend.

And as for Jews being portrayed in a bad way, have you seen Music Box? That was the closest to a movie in which Jews were portrayed badly. But it turned out a bit differently. If you haven't seen the movie, I won't tell how it turns out as it would be a spoiler. It's a good movie though.


This thread, and yourself prove otherwise. You mentioned the Big Lebowski. Well, that was one of the best movies I have ever seen...And NOT because the main character has a -ski name. That was actually of the least concern to me, but because of the great story the Coen Brothers have come up with.

I agree that Jews complain as much as the Poles and in that respect, as I have said before, I think that Poles and Jews are very much alike.

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M-G (haec hactenus)

I can't believe I am agreeing with you, but I am. :)

Yes there are those afformentioned similarities that they have in the complaint department. lol

Truth be told, there are also many positive qualities that Jews and Poles share. Its a shame more Jews and Poles don't focus on them. Like their love of family, culture, independent mindedness, are strugglers/underdogs, etc.

I don't believe in moves but many people do, specially these ignorant of others cultures like most of the Americans.
My point is that some of the moves are made with ant-polish bias!
Not only moves there is undercurrent which is nonchalantly anti-polish (based on lies and purposeful misinterpretation).


but it not good when these memories are falsified.


What problem? Its rather propaganda at work - American dream and Hollywood moves!Phew!


What are you talking about ? I think that you only have your mind set on few issues and any arguments are met by the stonewall.

As for move - I think you are mistaken and even if you were right you compare oranges and apples here!
Completely fictional move and move based on historical events!?


who is whining ?Its your interpretation.


At last there is some historical base to it!


Exactly, they are invisible in the USA politics.


In the sixties there were reform of the voting districts and area settled by Polish community were divided and lost its impact on the local and state elections.

It's true.. a lot of Pole Americans are in academia too..they're usually engineering profs.

I always see a lot of native Poles like to be "offended". They remind me of blacks in the US often... always squawking about some imaginary slight. Hell, we all get slighted sometime or another. I don't hear any other European country p*ss and moan as much as Poles do. The Irish and Mexican get made fun of more than Poles in the US, but they dont' seem to get mad about it. There used to be this Guiness commerical where these Irish kids whoop and run down on St. Patricks day and crowd around this tree lit up with green lights and open packages of beer. It was hilarious. Nobody bi/tched about it.

The Big Lebowski based on historical events?
Bruce Almighty based on historical events?
Gran Torino based on historical events?
Monster's Ball based on historical events?

Stop nagging, boy.


You are. Now stop whinging as well. It's getting annoying.


See, that's what I am talking about.

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M-G (haec hactenus)

What the **** are you about son? I'm watching match now, so I could miss some detail but I' right, nobody give a **** about some pure fiction move.

What osterman weekend has to do with the picture of Poles in Hollywood productions( films based on historical facts) ?
Your mind set is the major problem here sonny!


Me ??????????????????????I'm only discussing an issue as I see fit and my whining is only your imagination.
why don't you stop whining about thing that exist only in your imagination, twit.


I see, PP is moron with the intelligence of a starved halfwit.
To understand you should take well regarded Dutch or American hero and make a move about him to portray him opposite to his real deeds.

I-S (personally I don't care much but would like to discuss the phenomena, but everybody seems to deny that such phenomena exist)

I feel like I have to remind MG Hairry and Rogalski what are they talking about
:-)
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I call this BIG LIE

I skipped this match for the French match tonight. It's most amusing to see you infuriate again, but this is an issue that really doesn't need to be discussed. And trust me, if they would do that to a Dutch hero, hardly anybody in NL would give a darn.

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@Ender: take a look at some Indonesian films and see how they portray the Dutch. I didn't hear Dutch nagging about it. And: it's your full right to call this a lie, but why discuss it with ppl who won't be able to change it anyway. All you get is a bunch of opinions who don't matter in the end anyway. Go tell it to Hollywood if you don't agree to this. Chances are that they will just laugh at you.

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M-G (now go and have your beer and be a happy camper)

Another 'historical' Hollywood film: Taras Bulba
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It's "entertainment".. you understand?? Not a thesis or something.

here goes another 'hysterical' Hollwood film Defiance
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=55PWiiL2aRc
and what some Jew think about Poles
Robert Bielski, Tuvia Bielski's son, said:

"The Bielskis were not in Naliboki in May of '43,but even if it were true, which I know
it's not, the 128 people are in no way close to the millions of people that the Polish
people herded towards the Germans so they could be extinguished. I believe it's just a
consistent Polish anti-Semitism and the Poles are sloughing off their own crimes of being
an enemy of the Jews during World War II."

Ender: there are several movies made by Hollywood dealing with Dutch history. Most of them (from the 60's or so) actually portray Hansje Brinkers, the boy who in American folklore saved NL from drowing by putting his finger in a hole in the Dyke. This is granted by the Americans as true event, while in fact this never happened. If I would be like you or Iron, I would go like: "disgrace! Outrage! Shame! Blasphemy!" and more of the kind. But I am not like you. I just laugh at so much stupidity and then I have a beer and think that life can be very nice and then you see pictures of Bonnie, the Bavaria Babe and you KNOW life is nice sometimes.

:)

You do know that in Hollywood they alter some things for the sake of the story, do you?

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M-G (that's entertainment)

Btw....Indias Bollywood planned a huge blockbuster about Hitler:
"Dear friend Hitler"

guardian.co.uk/film/2010/jun/08/bollywood-adolf-hitler-film

Guess who protested??? ;)

guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2010/jun/11/bollywood-film-hitler


...oopsie...

Sheer genius?

Hated Slavs, but made Croatia and Slovakia his allies, could have all the best food in Germany
but was fervent coprophagus, chose a religious minority as his main enemy and decided to
completely destroy it, brought his country into the war against Soviet Union and the USA
at the same time...

...yeah - feckin genius, all right :-))))

I can just see that happening: just as everybody is gathered for the Wannsee conference music of bad sound quality fills the air and Heydrich starts singing how much he's in love with the coffee girl and dances across the tables and everybody wears colourful dresses.

:))

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M-G (haec hactenus)

....well...my first thoughts have been how interesting it would look on screen if olive skinned, black eyed, black haired people (with points on their foreheads) play die hard Nazis! :):):)

he was good at propaganda and manipulations but a lousy head of state

M-G
If you don't want to discus then don't - simple !

For all those saying "its only entertainment" - moves are used to influence general population.