Harry
15 Sep 2013 / #31
11 hours not 13, my mistake..
I was wondering about that but didn't have time to look it up.
Have You heard about legalizing 12-hour working day in Poland?
I was wondering about that but didn't have time to look it up.
between3
15 Sep 2013 / #32
Look at the picture. How many of those people there actually work, given the high amount of older people in the crowd and very few young people?
I was there, there were also young people, but You didn't seen it on TV...
However, so what that they are old?
You can hate trade unionist and be blind on reality, your choice...
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
15 Sep 2013 / #33
I was there, there were also young people, but You didn't seen it on TV...
I can see from the picture that it was mostly old, stuck in the ways people who don't want to have to actually do anything to earn money.
However, so what that they are old?
Most of them probably are close to retirement, if not already retired. We know the type, and they are exactly the kind that don't want change - they've worked 30 years on the 7-3 shift and see no reason whatsoever to change things, even if it means the business struggles.
You can hate trade unionist and be blind on reality, your choice...
The reality is that trade unionists are only interested in one thing : looking after their own in the short term.
between3
15 Sep 2013 / #34
> I can see from the picture that it was mostly old, stuck in the ways people who don't want to have to actually do anything to earn money.
Wow, such an unusual gift! You can see the people's (crowd) character just by looking at the picture!
> Most of them probably are close to retirement, if not already retired.
It is againts what you said "trade unionist thinking only about themselves". They wouldn't be interesed in keeping old labour law, if they were retired now.
You also don't know what are you talking about. They can't be a member of trade unions if they are retired or unemployed.
> We know the type, and they are exactly the kind that don't want change - they've worked 30 years on the 7-3 shift and see no reason whatsoever to change things, even if it means the business struggles.
I'm sure you know this from the picture...
> The reality is that trade unionists are only interested in one thing : looking after their own in the short term.
Don't judge by yourself, especially from the picture.
Wow, such an unusual gift! You can see the people's (crowd) character just by looking at the picture!
> Most of them probably are close to retirement, if not already retired.
It is againts what you said "trade unionist thinking only about themselves". They wouldn't be interesed in keeping old labour law, if they were retired now.
You also don't know what are you talking about. They can't be a member of trade unions if they are retired or unemployed.
> We know the type, and they are exactly the kind that don't want change - they've worked 30 years on the 7-3 shift and see no reason whatsoever to change things, even if it means the business struggles.
I'm sure you know this from the picture...
> The reality is that trade unionists are only interested in one thing : looking after their own in the short term.
Don't judge by yourself, especially from the picture.
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
15 Sep 2013 / #35
Wow, such an unusual gift! You can see the people's (crowd) character just by looking at the picture!
Quite easily when you've seen the damage done first hand to some businesses by Solidarność and their demands.
It is againts what you said "trade unionist thinking only about themselves". They wouldn't be interesed in keeping old labour law, if they were retired now.
Of course, you must remember that the crowd also contained people who were there to protest against the Government in general.
You also don't know what are you talking about. They can't be a member of trade unions if they are retired or unemployed.
They certainly don't need to be members to protest.
I'm sure you know this from the picture...
Quite easily. The lack of young people says it all.
great article in the guardian about the protests
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/13/poland-union-solidarity#start-of-comments
good to see a sane perspective from england and not biased expats.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/13/poland-union-solidarity#start-of-comments
good to see a sane perspective from england and not biased expats.
The government has abolished the eight-hour working day, lowered the minimum wage, raised the retirement age, and, as Solidarity leader Piotr Duda puts it, "neglected society". The protest is peaceful, yet the PM Donald Tusk has described it as "an attempt at overthrowing the government".
workers have replaced communists as the enemy of the state: these workers demand social rights and a welfare state, which are, in modern Poland, interpreted as a burden on our economy, associated with the communist regime.
According to the Fakty news programme, the protests are supported by 59% of Poles, which proves the unpopularity of the current government.
I would not worry too much about the 12-hour shifts; there are many jobs in US with 12 hour shifts: nurses, policemen, warehouse, security, deckhands, some manufacturing...
Many prefer to work longer hours to have extra days off.
It's the changes to the 40 hour week that you should watch out for.
Many prefer to work longer hours to have extra days off.
It's the changes to the 40 hour week that you should watch out for.
delphiandomine 86 | 17823
16 Sep 2013 / #38
great article in the guardian about the protests . good to see a sane perspective from england and not biased expats.
The Guardian has consistently had an anti-Government bias in respect to Poland.
with unionists considered to be protesting merely to "gain profits for themselves",
Those of us living here know how Solidarność frequently disrupt things to maintain the privileges for their members that ordinary workers don't have.