Poland's Guy Fawkes

I never realized how deep the divide is between the right wing and others.
It's frightening actually.
Who would've thought such a thing could be possible in Poland.
welcome to the modern world I guess :(

Surely with a statement like that you must not only inculde Poland. Where are all the other lunatics and their mass killings? Thats a rediculous thing to say. Totally out of touch unless a racist was making the statement. Youre not an extreme racist are you?


Whos saying its possible other than a deranged idiot from Belgium. Dont buy into that crap.

If youre so easily influenced Rybnik, shall i give you something for influence? Here you go mate "never pat a burning dog"... Who would have thought that possible?

Stefan Niesiolowski - he was crazy enough to try that in the past :-D

Stefan did say something smart once without biting anyone:

Remember that guys like that are just the lunatic fringe. The internet is to blame for quite a lot.

Oh yea, blame the Internet.

100 years ago, they were blaming radio, then 80 years ago they were blaming cinema, then 70 years ago they were blaming television, then 30 years ago they were blaming video games (some clowns still do) and now we're blaming the Internet.

The Internet, like the above are tools, only a bad carpenter will blame his saw.

There's a lot in that.

The internet does however feed the problem to a huge degree.

Sadly, a lot of PiS supporters are also tools.


The internet gives people access to a vast amount of information: what people do with that information is very much up to them.

Harry a vast amount of information

As well as misinformation, deceptive advertising, nonsense and utter grabage. Wonder if anyone has studied the relationship of the one to the other.
A possible disaster was averted thanks to ABW net monitoring. Some people in the States resent monitoring by the FBI and CIA or restrictons imposed by Homeland Security (removing shoes during airport checks, etc.), but those things are being done for a purpose. Besides, anyone who's isn't sneaky or underhanded has nothing to hide. The Internet is a medium like all the rest, just another stage in the development of communication and should be subjected to all the rigours and restrictions legally binding radio, TV and printed press. It should not be given prefential treatment.

That has to be the most impoverished argument for net monitoring that is currently in use. People in authority DO abuse their access to everyone's private communication and that goes unnoticed, under-reported and unpunished. Until there are consequences for abusing such access, I cannot support such notions as you've suggested.

Nothing personal.

I'm not commenting on the story as I simply do not have all the facts but I suspect that not one person on this forum does either...

LOL, so you think removing shoes is the best they can do? They can fly you out to Guantanamo without a trial and without anybody knowing. There you will receive such nice treatments like waterboarding, sleep deprivation etc.. And all that because your neighbour didnt like your new car and planted some evidence.


I am sure you wouldnt mind living in a police state. I for one enjoy my privacy and resent the idea of living in fear.


No its not. Its other than the rest a two way road. There is no way in hell i would allow some selfrighteous state organs to install trojans on my computer.

You have some really strange world views...

Install adblock, it's magic, I haven't seen an Internet ad in about 2 years thanks to it.


y'know they've saying he was active on many many forums......he was more than likely here...
Has anyone noticed that someone's gone missing 'round here since around Nov 11th?

The point is that anyone who is not planning to screw his business partner, cheat on his wife, deceive the dole authorities, prey on minors, rob a bank or murder his mum-in-law, etc. really has nothing to fear. What good will someone's harmless, personal chit-chat do some government agency? Besides, shouldn't we all be willing to give up a bit of privacy when human life and destruction hang in the balance?

Thats exactly what the SB did.
Oh good old times.

And im not giving up my freedom for a few nutcases and madeup threats.

Er..you want debate reality with me ..?First of all he had access to four tons of fertilizer it is not the same as possessing four tons of explosives.

Well, he could make a bomb, so what? Ability to do something is not a crime yet., otherwise everyone who shouted I kill you should be jailed.

For example those over-18 who wanted to drown Giertych, they all should go to jail especially if any of them keep few sacks at home.

Let say that he was somewhat of a loon, whatever or not he need help should be determined by psychiatrist. So far however seems to me that secret police induced by politically motivated orders or suggestion selected that dude to pin on him accusation of terrorism. When in fact if left to himself he would be perfectly harmless.

Funny that they say he is far right radical, anti-Semite and terrorist - can you explain in what way he is all those things? All key words invoicing predictable response from the western public opinion.

Nobody will protest( if would anyway) then when current government will sort out opposition in Poland by whatever means necessary. Are you all (especially those living in Poland) so bloody stupid? Maybe you just don't care as long as a Gay parade is not banned.


No, but as I understand his only real associates are special ops agents - so all that big hallo and hysteria whipped up in the media by the government is just part of a scam to pin it on the opposition.

Need i remind you PO member murdering PiS politician just because he was listening to the hate propaganda in the Polish media? Maybe he was inspired by well known person as well? Who knows? I doubt they were investigating it from that angle.

This is picture showing "over 1000 pieces of ammunition of different calibres". Seriously.

Good if someone wants to make anti-personnel explosives, useless otherwise.
Anyway it is not about his means or ability but his readiness and sanity!wherever he would be doing something sinister other than few rants on the internet without special ops agents?

Also why they claim that he is some kind of right wing extremist? Are they implying that PO and the Parliament are full of Bolsheviks? lol

That point is invalid- it is not a point. That information is too sensitive to be accessed so readily and easily. The likelihood of someone utilizing that information for the wrong reasons are far too great. That you can't acknowledge such scenarios in no way invalidate the reality of them. That we remain ignorant of such things happening in no way safeguards us from the effects of such compromises.

I don't know man, this case is starting to look...oddly predictable, almost like I've seen this formula before.
This is starting to look like a lot of theater meant to subvert rational thought and encourage group think. Fear is an incredibly old political tool, this may be another instance of using that tool. This story may be what it's being made out to be but it may not as well.

And back we come to the city you want us all to ignore: Oklahoma City. 168 killed. 680 injured. All because of two tonnes of fertilizer. Half as much as your nutty professor had. But you want to tell us that the reality was that he didn't have explosives.

The reality is that you are very simply lying, just as you were on the first page of this thread. And just as I did on that page, I'm busting you on your lies again on this page.


Yes, all he was doing was putting together all the equipment needed for a huge car-bomb, scouting sites in which to put it, collecting fire-arms and recruiting other plotters. All of that is completely harmless.


a) Source?
b) What do you think a bullet is?

No, I was pointing out your lies. Also having an access to fertilizer is not the same I being in possession of explosives, Why would you lie Harry?


What it has to do with anything?


WTF? Are you going in circles? Maybe it is your medical condition? never mind ....


Up to the point! Didn't he recruit only special ops agents?

Interesting that you are now lying about your lies. Good work.


You say he had access to fertilizer. The media say he had it. Who to believe? I think we can all see we shouldn't believe the man who says that fertilizer cannot be used as explosives, i.e. you.


You seem entirely unable to help yourself.


The bomb used in the Oklahoma City bombing was made from two tonnes of fertilizer. The same substance which you say isn't explosives and which your nutty professor had in double the quantity used in the Oklahoma City bombing.


Good to see that you're really losing it now. First you lie; and then when even you realise that everybody has realised you're lying, you switch to a mix of lies and personal abuse in a desperate attempt to change the discussion. Sadly predictable and just plain sad too.


Given that four other people were arrested and that two of them are still in prison, as has been already pointed out in this thread, if you were to make that question a statement, you'd be lying, yet again.

that is a lie.
taking this thread off topic harry? go and lie somewhere else.

Amomgst the many comments heard in the Polish media was one (I cannot vouch for its veracity) that this matter is being delierbately hyped and hotted up (press conferences, media sensationalising) to divert public attention from Tusk's probable shortfall in the EU budget area.

But anyone who has followed history knows that's how poltics works.

What a silly comment. A foiled terrorist act by a guy with weapons and bomb making materials and plans to attack the parliament building is a big story.

Could it be that a certain somebody is upset that amongst all the reporting coming out his name is nowhere to be found and so he's claiming this very large story is worthless? I wonder.

What about a tin foiled terrorist act ?

Unfortunately people who espouse extreme nationalist politics are just that - tin foil hat nutters. As Breivik has shown us, the consequences can be terrible.

At least this one was caught in time and will either face prison, mental health treatment or both.

Lost your favourite hat, have you?

One really does have to wonder about those who make excuses for somebody who wanted to murder the democratically elected government of Poland. I mean, we know what kind of man would want to murder them (a madman) but it's hard to feel anything other than pity of the truly insane. However, the people who make excuses for madman such as that, what demons must they have? How bitter and twisted up and eaten out with hatred must they be? Although looking at their views on things such as same-sex marriage and inter-racial marriage and equal rights usually gives us a very good idea of just how bitter and twisted they are.

One cannot link to a link that's been remvoed. But, hey -- ask any of the moderators. If anyone knows what's been on the forum, they do!

And that was undoutbedly one of the most extreme utterances on a forum not known for mincing words.

Just compare the level of professionalism:
FBI: Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis. Mr Nafis was arrested after he allegedly attempted to detonate what he thought was a 1,000lb (454kg) bomb. There was never a threat, the FBI said, as Mr Nafis had been closely watched. He was supplied by the FBI with the fake explosives.

He was arrested after filming his political "Manifest" and after engaging the device he though is a detonator.

ABW (Polish Internal Security Agency): They arrested a man under the suspicion of possessing old Nokia phone, some electrical cable, old Russian lamp and a lot of cord. Green cord.

Red herring. That what it is.

Background: The ABW is currently under Governmental review. It seems that this agency would face a severe reduction of it's competitions. So they found some big-mouth-loony, they courted him for OVER A YEAR and now - the agency can finally show how useful it is.

Don't believe me. Just take a look at the pictures of these so called "proofs". I bet that all of you have got similar stuff in the basement or garage.

Here is the "proof" if his evil intentions:
gadu-gadu.pl/zobacz-co-zgromadzil-brunon-k-caly-arsenal